Proudiddy

And I can see that perspective too. And I’m aware of the “big-time throw” stats and such from PFF down the stretch last season - I think for me, it’s hard to not think back to what we saw prior to that stretch. Is that the norm or the exception? Games like that last one against ATL, how he played against the Chiefs, those are really encouraging, but again, which Bryce is the player we should expect to see moving forward. After a season and a half of horrid play, it’s hard to just pretend that didn’t happen. But again, for the reasons you mentioned, I’m really hoping he has hit his stride. And yet, at the same time, I’m haunted by the ghost of Cam, because once you’ve had a QB that can run around people, run over people, jump over people, carry 11 defenders, and throw lasers 70 yards downfield, it’s hard to say, “yes. This average looking gentleman with below average pro QB measurables will be our franchise QB.” But again, hoping for the best. I know how much confidence can make a difference in a player’s game.

The receivers definitely play a role in it, but Bryce’s deep passes until that end of season stretch last year couldn’t have been caught by Megatron, and I don’t mean Calvin Johnson. I recall so many of his deep attempts not even being close, so the receiver didn’t even have a chance. Many landing 5-10 yards out of bounds. So it’s a balance. Yes, guys like Colston helped Brees hit that next level, but Brees looked a helluva lot more competent and accurate even before that period of his career. He got the contract in NO for a reason. The trajectory Bryce was on until the end of last season, he was quickly on his way to being out of the league by the end of his rookie contract. So, that is also why I’m still skeptical about him maintaining or building on that stretch last season. If you don’t have a big arm, you have to be accurate at every level of the field, and Bryce, to this point has not been consistently. So, I brought up the Colston example to allow my repressed optimist out for some sun, but when I look at Brees resume, even just in San Diego, compared to Bryce’s first two years… let’s just say, the organization pushing the hype train about them being all in on BY because the last 7 games of last season is who he is, has been, and will be, is being awfully generous. I truly hope he has turned a corner and the new weapons will get him there, but I am not confident in that based off the greater sample of work he’s given us. In reality, my fear is, we are just continuing to spin our wheels and will have to find another rookie QB in the next two drafts and hope that one hits. It’s why I was adamant about drafting guys like Hooker, Milton, or Sanders to hedge our bet on BY. But again, I’m hoping for the best.

Same.

Yeah, and the one thing both Russ and Baker have without a doubt is arm strength and the ability to throw the ball deep. It’s why the more I watched Bryce in college and the hype started falling off of him, you’re able to see he really just distributed the ball to insane playmakers. He didn’t wow you with throws, but he could with scrambles and extending plays - but in the NFL, if you can’t keep a defense honest with deep passes, it’s like trying to bucket water out of a sinking ship. It’s why I still am very skeptical of the end of season stretch he had last year. Yeah, there were some impressive statistics in there, but unless he learns how to consistently connect on the deep game, he will regress back to the mean. But I will say - Bryce, to me, was always a better comp to Drew Brees. He is just a more mobile version. And Drew had enough of an arm to keep a defense honest, but he was by no means a gunslinger or renowned for his arm talent. I think arm strength-wise, he and Bryce are very similar - the difference is, Drew’s accuracy in the deep ball. Even if you can only manage 30-40 yard chunks occasionally, it maximizing the efficiency of them. And I will say, when Brees really seemed to hit another level was when they added a guy like Colston - a big possession receiver he could throw it up to. And we just took Tet… so again, hoping for the best.

The fact that XL put up solid numbers as a rookie despite his drop/focus issues and the fact that he came in as a pretty raw/weak route runner is a positive though. It shows he can do damage when he does get the ball. This is why i still have hope for him... A lot of people were comp'ing him to DK when we drafted him, but I think he is more like a bigger, faster Deebo. You just have to get the ball in his hands and let him do damage... That being said, absolutely, as a pure wide receiver, Coker without a doubt is the better receiver. But, XL is a unique, intriguing piece. He came in this year and has improved his route running tremendously, and from what I've read, seems to have less issue with drops, so if he is locked in with that stuff, best case scenario is both Coker and XL eat this year and then we still have Tet, Renfrow, and JHJ bringing different elements of their own. It's really gonna be on Canales and Bryce. I say all that to say, in summary, Coker is the better WR as of now and honestly, might remain so, but XL is a weapon in his own right - his numbers from his rookie season indicate he isn't just some washout or bust.

I feel like Norman wasn’t playing not because he wasn’t good enough, but it seemed more “teaching you a lesson” -type stuff. Because he always flashed from the beginning, every time he saw the field. I think remember being pissed that we weren’t playing him significantly more early. Tbh, he really shouldn’t have been inactive those first couple years.

It’s funny, bc it seemed like the entire board believed he was a genius after that first season, but ever since, the tide has dramatically turned. I too was drinking the kool-aid after that first season, but idk wtf has happened… it’s not just injuries. Every year coaches make more with less, injuries included. There is something wrong schematically and strategically. And tbh, our defense just doesn’t look well-coached, which isn’t just on Evero but the position coaches. Poor technique, poor angles, poor gap/assignment discipline, knocking each other out of plays constantly. Idk what it is exactly, but it’s not encouraging to say the least.

Saw the highlight. What a fuging weapon. Why can’t we have nice things?

Not a TMZ type of guy, but are they really split? I remember he used to always post about her and how much she meant to him, but all of his posts lately look like he is living in his own or single.

Who is 39? He got some juice!

Also, for the record, I said we should sign Huntley 2 years ago. he just came in off the couch and is also dotting our defense up. Dalton and Plummer been employed, no breaks, and look like pure poo.

I didn’t want to make a snap judgment on him, but he was only noticeable for pursuing plays from behind tonight. I was hoping for some flashes after all the hype, but only Scourton did that between the two of them.

You’re entitled to your opinion, brother, as am I. I’m not starting a fan club for any players any time soon lol, but I like the guys I like and I pull for them. Shadeur is one of those guys. And obviously, I’m gonna pull for all of our players. but, I think it would be a bit unfair to just dismiss what Shadeur is doing tonight. From college to the pros as a rookie, everyone knows the speed is different, the game is faster, the athletes are better, etc., it’s a huge jump. I wasn’t bringing up Bryce because of what you said about him, because I have no idea what your stance on him is. I brought him up because we gave up a ton to get him and he has not lived up to the value, AT ALL. Cam is what a #1 pick should be. He made the players around him better, carried teams to wins, and made plays happen where there were none. A superstar. A game changer. Even with all the upgrades we have made around Bryce, it’s my opinion he will never be that. He will always manage games and occasionally make good plays, but he doesn’t change games on his own. So my point in saying all of that is that Bryce was not worth what we gave up to get him, even if he turns out solid. Meanwhile, a rookie in Shadeur is out here dotting up an NFL defense in his rookie preseason debut after receiving limited reps in practice and the entire NFL passing him over for 4+ rounds, as though there is no skill gap between the college and the pros. It’s even arguable he has looked better than Bryce tonight. That is impressive. How bad our defense last year is irrelevant. Some of that is injuries, schematics, etc. it’s a new year, and even if we were fielding all UDFAs, that is still better than any defense he faced in college, talent-wise. I continue to bring up the investment for Bryce and the investment in Shadeur, because one had a trove of riches traded away to acquire him and he has struggled for 1.5 years before he finally showed any redeemable ability as a pro. Whereas Shadeur was treated as an afterthought, has had his own organization treat him like they didn’t ever want him, was given every reason to not look good, and he came out here and killed it - and again, the cost to get him was easy for any organization.

Damn these guys are ass.

Plummer couldn’t hit the ocean if he fell out of a boat. God this is hard to watch. trade something to the lions for Hooker.

I agree we need to maximize the value of our picks because we were so talent and depth depleted, but Shadeur went in the 5th. We could’ve traded somebody a future 6th and/or a 7th to get another 5th to take him. It was free money, just sitting there.

Yeah, even though I wanted to draft another QB the last couple of years since Bryce, I’m not gonna lie, I did NOT expect Andy to fall off a cliff. Not like this.

For everyone shitting on Shadeur because “he’s doing it against 3rd stringers.” So what is Dalton doing? A guy that’s knows the NFL speed and has played against the best of the best for 10+ years versus a kid doing it for the first time. again, we should’ve drafted a developmental QB after Bryce.

Like who tf watches Etienne field punts and thinks, “yes, let’s keep doing that!”

Can Jimmy Horn play QB? I’m tired of this poo.

poo should’ve been addressed last two drafts, especially after Bryce’s early returns. I don’t understand our franchise’s long-standing stance against positional competition. It’s only a positive, yet, we don’t believe in it. Hell, the Pats drafted Luke Maye as the declared franchise QB, then drafted Milton and flipped him for assets this year to Dallas, with the implication being if Dak starts fuging up, Milton might be taking over - I.e., competition. Years back, WSH took RG3 and Cousins. They flipped Cousins for assets and he actually had a more successful and impressive NFL career than RG3. We should’ve addressed it already.

Whether that’s true or not, few QBs have ever pump fakes and sacked themselves after spending an entire quarter plus throwing poo balls. I like Andy, but he is playing like poo.

Yeah, iirc, I think Wentz was injured against the Rams and they had already clinched and I believe we’re just playing for the #1 seed, but Foles definitely played lights out once he stepped in.

I really wish we would stop trying to be cute and throw the ball to Horn on an actual fuging route and put him in a position to succeed.

Cassel? No…. Foles.