frankw

For sure the Raiders are a mess and have been for years. But there's a good chance they come away looking better at QB than us when it's all said and done even if it's a small upgrade. We laughed at the Jets and took Sam off their hands. Their QB room looked better than ours. We laughed at the Browns and took Baker off their hands. We lost to them led by Jacoby Brissett. At some point we have to learn some level of a lesson from these swings we keep making.

There it is! Didn't we do this "blame everyone else" spiel with Darnold and Mayfield too?

Oh for sure McDaniels is a well known abysmal head coach. But Carr has troubling tendencies that have translated through what about 5 head coaches? By that I mean his glaring penchant for turning the ball over. 179 combined interceptions and fumbles since 2014 in 142 games. That's a high number. I think we could compete with him but those turnovers aren't going anywhere. At soon to be 33 that's who he is now he isn’t just going to suddenly change. The question is can this staff minimize those turnovers and maximize his effectiveness. Maybe. But it's not a risk worth taking for 35 million a year IMO.

It's fun reading posts saying let's build around Carr and give him weapons. Like he had nobody last year

Darnold will be 35 and some people will still be arguing he's still got a few years to put it all together. I've just never seen this with anyone else. When compared to the years of whining from a significant number of Panthers fans about Cam Newton in his prime and people saying things like he'd never have a game winning drive it's even more cringe.

Drink more water and take some colace bud.

Derek Carr or Sam Darnold... How about neither.

That's true but in this case it's a matter of trying something different. With the arguments in favor of him being applied here why not consider PJ Walker too? Better is a matter of perspective

Wins eh? Remind me how he looked without a huge showing from his run game and when he had to pass the ball? He was outperformed in the final game of the season by Andy Dalton. And please don't give me any of this nonsense about how the game didn't matter.

Looking through this list there are multiple better options available. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/?ref=trending-pages

Based on the premise in the OP Sam would still be starting for an undetermined amount of time until one of the other young QB's is ready. Even one game of Sam Darnold is too many to me

If the coaching staff actually believes reclamation project redux is going to turn this franchise around I'll instantly lose any of the confidence built over these last several weeks. But I just don't see it. It's easy to sit on the internet and say you'd roll the dice on a Sam Darnold when it's not your job at stake.

Sam Darnold wishes he was Jared Goff. Stop the insanity. He is who he is and that's not a good starting QB but a serviceable backup. Move on!

You know the Bears have been waiting to get back at us for that Greg Olsen trade. If we want their pick they're gonna ask for everything short of the fountain of youth and some magic beans

If we do sign him I look forward to seeing who will be blamed when he turns the ball over. Some of you are literally engaging in the same behavior you used to talk yourselves into Darnold. It's both hilarious and sad.

You might want to take a peek under the hood if you're going to go to bat for him and blame coaches or defense. He's played in 142 games in his career and through those he's amassed 179 combined interceptions and fumbles.

People really need to stop trying to compare Carr to Stafford. When you dig into the numbers one thing that stands out to me is his turnovers. 99 interceptions and 80 fumbles. As far as I know he leads the league in career fumbles. Now does that propensity for turning the ball over remind you of anyone? Sam Darnold perhaps? No way in hell you give this guy 35 million a year.

Very possible. But unlikely.

It's not just due dilligence. They know his asking price they aren't meeting with him for shits and giggles. It's not like we're going to walk in and tell him take this low end prove it deal or we're outta here.

If the room full of coaching minds we've assembled with their decades of wisdom thinks chasing after the likes of Carr or Jimmy G is the best recipe to "win now" this place will be a goldmine to read this time next year.