tukafan21

I wasn't saying we have never been that bad, I was saying that when you keep getting picks in the back half of the Top 10, it's when you are at risk of getting stuck in NFL purgatory.

Completely disagree, in today's NFL, you should always be hiring offensive minded HC's. It's much easier to replace good DC's than good OC's, and you're not going to be a good team if you have a defensive minded HC and a bad OC. So when you go defensive minded for the HC, if you're lucky enough to have a successful season or two, you're then going to lose your OC and have to re-start things on that side of the ball again. With an offensive minded HC, even if you lose your OC, you are still keeping the offensive scheme and continuity.

A 5 yard touch throw to the corner is about the only throw he is actually able to make at a high level, as it doesn't require a strong arm, it doesn't require processing the pass rush, it's taking the snap and immediately throwing a muscle memory touch pass to a place where only your 6'5" WR has a chance to catch it.

T-Mac, Horn, and DB are legit cornerstone building blocks on each side of the ball. Unfortunately, having only 3 building blocks is going to have you as one of the worst teams in the league.

I genuinely don't even think we end up inside the Top 5 of the draft. At some point (if not even next week) they're going to have to bench Bryce and Dalton will end up winning a couple games and sticking us yet again in that dreaded 7th-9th pick range. It's NFL purgatory, never good enough to contend, never bad enough to get the elite QB prospects

It's not even about T-Mac's chances, it's not even that I want it for my fantasy team. It's that through 4 weeks we haven't thrown that pass a single time. This game was over, nothing that happened on that play mattered for the game, it was the perfect opportunity to run that play for the first time and we didn't. It really just doesn't make sense to have a player like him, to have probably around 15-20 snaps already this year where we could have called the play, and we haven't, not one time. It makes ZERO sense.

fug off Canales I don't even care that we got the TD, a jump ball to T-Mac is literally our likely best play in the entire playbook and we haven't called it one time this season.

I swear, if we don't throw a jump ball to T-Mac here on 4th down, I'm going to lose my freaking mind. 4th game of the year, we've had snaps inside the 10 in every game, and we haven't thrown that pass one time all fuging season.

Canales had his chance to move on from Bryce after the benching last year, everyone would have understood trading him at that point, and if Canales wasn't willing to bet his HC career on Bryce, he should have demanded we trade him at that point. Once he came back and played halfway serviceable, it then tied Canales to Bryce. Clean house this offseason and start from scratch to build around T-Mac, Horn, DB

Agree and I've said all this a million times, but all of it is also beyond the point now. He's unfortunately our QB, you can't turn down opportunities like last week to let him play loose with an open playbook and hope it can help him gain confidence. Yet another DC failure, only this one came in a 30 point shutout win.

I'd have agreed with it 2 weeks ago, but the play calling has only gotten worse the last 2 weeks, I'm now officially over DC too. Our best hope for this franchise right now is we lose out, get the #1 pick, fire Morgan and DC, have Tepper open up his deep pockets and offer Howie Roseman (or someone like that) more money than they could reasonably turn down to come here for the GM job and let them go to work with a long leash to rebuild the roster from the ground up.

THIS is exactly why you take advantage of a game like that and open up the playbook to try and get your QB some confidence. As this now makes 4 straight games to open the season where Bryce and the offense have looked like utter dog poo outside of the one half where the Cardinals decided to just stop playing any defense.

Bench him, now! that pass was beyond awful, and T-Mac also beat Gonzales off the line and was going to be open down the middle for a first too

Yep, he's going to have it locked up pretty early this year thanks to all these early season TDs, it won't take a crazy second half of the season for him to end up with more than enough yardage to go with the TDs to win the award. I still would have taken T-Mac over him 100 out of 99 times though

Well, T-Mac beat his man and of course Bryce over throws him, bum

Yes to his first drop today, but this one wasn't a drop or even him "not making the catch" as Bryce put it in a place that forced him to make a diving catch and it took him off his feet.

Vrabel doesn't strike me as the type of coach who is going to go full on prevent defense just because they have a lead, if anything, he's going to dial up even more blitzes in the 2nd half

Dude, you just sound more and more pathetic every time you do this. No, Bryce's size isn't causing other problems, but to think his tiny midget ass isn't seriously compromised as an NFL QB because of said size, then you're just being purposefully obtuse. He's not an NFL QB no matter how you slice it.

No, that was the right call, if we caused a turnover there and maybe got a score it does change the 2nd half.

Not an NFL QB. Period.

And that's what we get for that terrible 3rd down play call

Draw on 3rd and 10?!?!?!

Oh 1 million percent true. Everything after the 1st, we fall for the fools gold year after year, thinking we're going to take these raw high RAS score type of guys and turn them into stars but never can. But we've been amazingly rock solid in the 1st since 2001, I honestly wonder how many other teams have had as many long term starters at the rate we've had. In our last 24 1st round picks, setting aside Bryce and XL, Butler would be the biggest bust, KB exploded and then fell apart, but that seemed more on him than a missed evaluation, and Otah also started out great but then injuries derailed his carer, so not really a "miss" either. The other 19 (if including T-Mac) were starters and true impact players as career long Panthers until we decided to move on from them through trade, release, or we didn't want to re-sign late in their career, with all of them except Burns having signed a 2nd contract with us as well. Star and Peppers are our only 1st rounders since 2001 to leave through free agency after their contracts expired. Morgan, Peppers, Gross, Gamble, TD, Deangelo, Beason, Stewart, Otah, Cam, Kuechly, Star, KB, Shaq, Butler, CMC, DJ, Burns, Brown, Horn, Ickey, Bryce, XL, T-Mac Really a wild run over 25 years

I mean, to be fair, we've really only missed on 2 first round picks since 2016, they just happened to be the last 2 years before hitting again this year with T-Mac. Hell, looking back even further, we're just historically great at not screwing up the 1st round since 2001. The worst 1st round picks we've had since then are... XL, Bryce, Butler, Otah, and KB. The next worst pick other than those 5 since 2001 would probably be between Star and Ickey.

Until the Vikings badly needed WR help, there was never a remote report about Thielen wanting out, and beyond that, he brought out Bryce and all the pass catchers to Minnesota for a few days to work out a month or two before the season. He wasn't trying to force his way out of here until the Vikings possibility came about, trying to say anything else is just attacking him for asking for the trade in the end and being sour about it. It would be like we had injuries and reached out to the Ravens about Smitty going into his last year and then him telling the team he'd love to come back home.