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To say that, is gaslighting, because it isn’t true. I mean, maybe one or two people do that but it isn’t the predominant behavior. Even Frank has given him credit. I think particularly the Rams game. A couple of glowing posts. I know I have. Gotta be honest about it because if you aren’t it undermines what else you say. But the degree of how far I go with credit, in terms of it being a projection of future performance? Not very far. Acknowledge it, but require more of it. There is a lot of bad play to offset. I tried to remain passive while the last 9 games (post ankle injury) played out. It is just really hard when the lows won’t go away. I failed. As high as a couple of those highs were, there isn’t enough. I know it is premature to just say I want to move on, made my decision after 6 of those games ended up pretty much really good or not good enough, but I have had enough of being patient and letting him show the reality either way. So in my view, he Could still validate himself to a decent degree if he smokes the last three starts. But also in my view I don’t expect to see it. Maybe one more high quality start, would be my expectation. So yes he could still somehow justify having the job next year. If that happened I still wouldn’t have much faith given the last three years and all that has transpired. Again, there is a lot of bad play to offset.

To start with, you wouldn’t want to count up that value chart. You would see quickly where that is headed. But you basically did a quantity comparison, while ignoring quality. I am looking at 2023 as the start, because it became all about Bryce. 2023 you have 4 picks plus DJ Moore for offense vs 2 (80 and 145) for defense. 2024 you got the 1st overall, the 32, the 46 and the 101 for offense vs 72, 157, 200 and 240 for defense. Leave the FA IOL out of it. Which was a crazy big investment. But it wasn’t draft. Anyway, that is basically 4 top 100 picks for offense and 4 picks for defense in 2024. Except they were 2 first rounders, the second rounder, and the 4th was really high at 101. Vs 72 and day three stuff. Please…. Second quoted/bolded… See you think we hate Bryce. That isn’t it at all. It is nice easy way to characterize us and discredit our talking points though. Me, I do mostly hate watching him play. But I don’t hate the person. I hate the hell out of the stanning. It started with the very first question I asked about his footwork, arm strength, and size. Height being the principle objection. I never even got to the durability factor. There was plenty without factoring that in. But there was rabid opposition to even asking the question of what a couple of small fractions of a second extra closing time would do for the defenders. What the extra time it takes to flip the hips would do vs a pass rush or on the other end after the ball is in the air. Split second more for recognition where it is going for the DBs. The tippy toe backpedal. That poo was a mess and it has always been mess but no Bryce fan wanted to hear it. “Go get another team to root for”. “It worked in the SEC it will be fine in the NFL you don’t know football you are just a hater”. It got worse when the real games started. It has never stopped. It is nice that many people have left that train so there is less abuse but it hasn’t stopped. So whatever…

Canales had Young’s footwork straight in preseason 2024. It really is a next to impossible quest. Young does not have the discipline to stick with it when the chips are down. He reverts. Just about everyone with that sort of handicap reverts a bunch of times before the change sticks. If it ever does. That bad stuff is so ingrained in Bryce you probably will never get it out.

Good point about Reich. They fuged him hard and it seems like from the jump with the assembling of that dream team staff. I don’t think he had as much input as a HC is supposed to have in that scenario. The Bryce people played it as if he was a piker but he knew exactly what cards he was dealt in April 2023. PS yeah well if Canales makes year three without any Tepper blowups, and even better to me, if Tepper divorces himself from the QB, he is rehabbed significantly. It hasn’t happened but if you looked in 2023 and saw him standing back for three years, you would have been in a small group. Three years ‘sober’ might help him a little. And that money…. I think it would also be highly influenced by a perception of front office competency and stability. You get another good draft, an improved roster, a year of stability that looks it could carry over that rehabs this job quite a bit over where it was in 2024.

I had considered that.

It is still an influencing variable when contemplating maki g a change. The first question in that circumstance is do you know making a change will result in an upgrade? You don’t always. You might have a pretty meager list of candidates still. I think getting rid of Bryce would be a huge unfug of the candidate list. I think Morgan and Tillis look good and the roster isn’t like it was then, you give someone a chance to get their QB maybe the list looks better.

In this day and age those are so routine, they are about like due diligence. A precaution to make sure you aren’t missing something. They probably should shut him down if the season is decided.

Glad I am entertaining you yuck yuck. I damned sure would rather watch him instead of Bryce every Sunday (and that goes for other QBs too). There is no way of knowing the record with him but I would think he could do better with this team than what we have.

I don’t know at this point. I haven’t really checked Wash out. He is here already so I would look at him. I might or probably would expect there will be some HC is out of a job and was a successful DC before being a HC. Probably start there. I really want Luke lol but that probably couldn’t happen.

Yeah, I neglected the Tepper variable in the Canales factoring. Why we have him. And it isn’t as much because he is Morgan’s buddy as it is we were turned down or just got a ‘not interested’ so many times we had to have Somebody… so Morgan being familiar is a factor yes but only after pretty much all other options were not going to materialize. We don’t even know, it may have been better to get him than the next option at that point. Which turns Dan into getting a save rather than fuging us with hiring his buddy.

No man, he is not bottom third. Please. I saw him choke in the biggest game for Minnesota last year. Sure did. Not blind. But I don’t know that he learned nothing. We may get some clarity on that coming up soon. People usually do incremental improvements rather than putting it all together at once. Or they don’t because they hit their ceiling and can’t improve but that is generally an ability thing. Plus players often learn best from failure, and getting more repetitions where they can apply what they may have learned. I guess I am a less than serious fan because I would take going 12-5, 13-4, and playoffs most years and be satisfied, with no guarantee of a SB championship. Compared to what we have been fed for years, I take that poo all day every day. That is what he is doing. I’ll wait and see how he responds this year because they will be in the playoffs won’t they?

I understand that a capable OC is desirable but I also understand, or think I might, the dynamics with the staff and maybe I’m wrong but I do not see Canales firing his offensive right hand guy without significant pressure from Morgan or Tepper to do so. So that, in addition to Canales stating pretty definitively, that he was keeping play calling. I don’t know what you do in that circumstance. It would need to be important enough to you to make it worth firing Canales to get your OC play caller. To that, if Canales not being good so far at play calling (and we only have the one year in TB to factor with what we have see here), is accepted as a given, it is only fair and honest to consider what an impediment having to construct and administer an offense around Bryce Young’s game would be to an OC. I would say it is a big complication, big surprise there. You won’t know about Canales 100% until you remove Bryce from the equation and get him a clean slate to create from - without the Bryce restrictions. And yeah you will likely end up without a top notch high flying offense. But it still *could* be much better than it is now. In the right hands. So that is potentially what we’re looking at. I suppose we could keep Bryce and bring in a college style coach and design a Bryce rollout offense or something and see if that helped. I am not in favor of that, probably the last thing I would want. We could do nothing, which I am not in favor of. We could fire Canales and keep Bryce (my least preferred option). We could get rid of both, which I would begrudgingly accept but would lament the interruption of the continuity that a 3rd year would provide. You could get rid of Bryce and get a couple of new QB prospects in here, vets, drafts, whatever… that would be my choice. I am afraid I know how it’s gonna go. All I can really say about that is, there has not been a single time in three years that I looked at the upcoming game and felt like we were gonna win because we have Bryce Young playing QB. Because of what he could do with the ball in his hands. Not once. Sure there have been a handful of games that he was part of the reason we won, a couple he was a big part, but not enough times to feel like that is my expectation. At best, it is cross your fingers and hope for good Bryce.

Okay. If you want to start with 2023 and assign point value as used in trading draft picks, you really will see a tough look. I counted them up once not doing it again but a 9th, the next year’s 1st overall, the two seconds, DJ too, the 1st and 2nd in 2024 for offense, the 1st in 2025 for offense…. Add in the 2nd in 2022 for WR. For all those Bryce picks and what else we were left with, for 2023 and 2024, our big defensive score was Wallace in the 3rd in 2024. The value assigned to all those resources spent on offense would dwarf the defensive total. Multiples. Then go to FA and cap and the Burns return and freed cap, what happened to that? IOL mostly. Yeah we signed Clowney. Not too sure what else. It was so lopsided, but I guess we weren’t supposed to notice that.

I think the, or A big rub there is Idzik and what do you do with him? Canales will not want to be disloyal I don’t think, and if Canales doesn’t call plays well someone has to and it seems like that would mean new OC. Which is another damned can of worms. That only makes sense to me, or it make way more sense, if we change QBs. You don’t change the system and spend that time in almost certain regression with this barely capable QB. I was never hot on Canales and there are some negatives no doubt but I think at this point you keep stuff intact. I would get him a QB to work with that isn’t some unicorn.

Just say what you mean. Which is probably people who don’t want Bryce are ruining the team. The board. Your entire football fanning activities. Poor thing.