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I think that’s a pretty good rule of thumb. I would struggle to identify any counters, though I feel there are some lurking out there. People could argue for Flacco, Dilfer, guys who ran the gauntlet and didn’t get exposed. I bet the list of guys that did (get exposed) is pretty large.

okay I buried the lead with this at the end but it needs to be up front, then we have the rebuttal I started out with. A designated Hail Mary QB, and designated QB sneaker… that is some unheard of stuff. I would be willing to bet a large sum (relatively) that only one player in the history of the league has required those accommodations. Cool. I think my point is he did not ruin Luck, Luck vouched for him by hiring him at Stanford. And he did not negatively impact Young. The NFL negatively impacted him because he doesn’t have an NFL game. It was just… Bryce, meet reality. This is the NFL not Alabama. He is still trying to get his game up to snuff and we are in year three. Also the resources used on him after he got to the NFL? We had a bottom 5 worst defense in history basically (17 game stats vs the old 16 game stats make it look worse), because he needed so much help. .

On the subject of Reich and him being no good as a coach, because he wouldn’t change everything he did to accommodate Young. He wanted to sit Young. He knew what Young was. But to the point, was Andrew Luck a good QB under Reich in Indy? Most people don’t hesitate to say yes. Well, Luck thought enough of his coaching to bring him to Stanford. There is a bona fide NFL QB that seems to dispute the painting of Reich as a incompetent and the reason for Young’s shortcomings. Yes he got fired. It appears as if Tepper and Fitterer forced a QB he did not want on him and poisoned the well right from the start. I don’t blame Reich one bit for being pissed either. And I wasn’t a Reich guy I wanted Wilks. I accepted the Reich hire but never lobbied for him. Just saying he is being dogged here unfairly.

Rattler; a 5th round pick busting is no sweat. Hell I wanted that guy because he is able to play in the league and the investment was nothing. He would be a better QB for us right now too. And will make a great backup.

You absolutely can have hope. You can’t convert people though; making advocacy posts are kind of … not reading the room. I had a small hope that he would be able to at least manage some games and that they could make it work in some kind of no fun to watch fashion. But honestly I had 100% determined he was not NFL starter material, and I had conviction. So to root for him to marginally succeed goes against the best interest of the Panthers long term, according to my beliefs. I wanted him gone the minute he got here if I am honest.It was up to him to prove otherwise. He has rarely shown me anything to think I was wrong on his ceiling. He did show me some courage last year, standing in the pocket and stepping into his throw in the face of pressure - but that has gone somewhere. He made some nice throws last year in places too, but they invested in him on the level of the Atlanta game should be his norm. Good luck seeing that again on Sunday. Still, he did it once, so technically it could happen again.

Skins really pulled a good one taking Cousins in the RGIII draft.

Smitty works for David Tepper and has a cake job. He is in good with the team. He isn’t going to bite the hand that pays his divorce lawyers. Probably my favorite Panther, a relentless competitor. Luke had that same drive just without the antisocial streak. But Smitty on Sundays? Not that many that were better.

Your use of stats to advocate for Bryce being better than he really is, is why I don’t really take some of the stats arguments seriously. I can see what he is. And I have not watched the games this year but have scoped some post analysis, but I watched every snap for the first two years, some twice. He doesn’t look like some different guy in year 3. He is the same guy he was, and further - pretty much the same as he was in college. Unfortunately. I am getting a pretty big whiff of Stan here. Here is how I see your future: one day you will finally realize he is a failure at professional football. When that happens, you won’t be making boast posts about how good he was in year two anymore, you will be posting about how the Panthers ruined him his first season. With a straight face.

I thought about that the other day and came to the conclusion that Reich could have done that partly to poke Tepper. Lol I can hear him cussing now. Frank’s like, yes please, fire me.

Development. You really think he looks different than two calendar years ago? I just don’t. Icing on the cake is he was supposed to be developed and ready to start, and win, while making average WRs better. Point guard. Elite processor. Ring a bell? Everyone has had to forget about that and just hope he can look average. 95% of his time on the field has been a fail, maybe 90%. He has caught lightning in a bottle one game, and maybe a half in a couple of others. Or a drive. That’s about the size of it.

Yeah. I mean he has no above average physical anything, and the bad mechanics and footwork weaken an already borderline arm. I was so baffled and frustrated with the narrative that had him as top pick. As far as going forward, you have a stack of 25 games where he was bad and over here, maybe 5 games where he was good, one where he was damned good. One. Moving forward with him is being completely blind to reason.

I was hard against that trade. My red line is you don’t trade future 1st round picks. You just do not ever do that. That is what Hurney did that turned me against him. All I know is everything I watched with Young playing football screamed to me, do not buy into this he can’t succeed against NFL talent.

Lol I was working from the other direction, thinking they could attach antennae to their helmets with a lil flag at the top he could just throw to the flag.

I guess. For me I am a layman football scouting wise. I know nothing really. But just 10 minutes of critically looking at Young via videos showed it to me. I don’t think Leaf, for instance, would have been easy that way. He had the prototypical stuff. To know he would bust, you’d have to have the skill to dissect his mental potholes. And probably some one on one time with him.

He was horrible his rookie year but he was much improved last season. To the point he could serve. I am hoping….

Basically he is saying the last pick of the draft and Bryce Young are interchangeable. Okay Purdy could have gone higher obviously. And I’d have probably taken Bryce if he were there in the late 3rd. Edit: strictly on his size and arm, he would be off the board until then. Standards.

I was thinking he has to be in the running for ‘most likely to bust’ though. I am sure there were a couple more. Manziel comes to mind but I think Bryce wins. Jamarcus or JaMarcus was a piece of work and it seems like the good teams should have sussed that out. Quarterback Fever is a bad germ to catch.

This is a score for someone. Go through the motions of getting the banner and renting the plane. Leak the news and wait for the buyout offer.

According to members of the fan club ‘Bryce’s Believers’ you are not allowed to count the 16 games from 2023.

Because everyone is picking on him and treating him very unfairly when none of it is even his fault?

I am not that worried over how they will do if they can stay healthy. Icky is a run blocking fool. Lewis him and Mays ought be able to do something.

Sure let’s do better. I want a bad ass defensive guy. Vrabel would have made me happy. Finesse teams do offense. And we are damned sure trying to do finesse. Can’t even do that right, we have nothing going.

Yeah. And I knew we were going to be bad for years messing with lil buddy college all star. When they kill your hopes for three years at one whack, it is tough.

Maybe he talked with him and expects him to play better. Might be a one more chance scenario. Gotta wait for Coker to come back or something. Legette will force his hand with much more of his crap though.

I know he caught most of the grief over Mike Evans. While using street FAs or practice squad guys to cover him. 3 times. I understand that excuses are just excuses and it did happen. Still, his record of 6-6 in 12 games beat out every single head coach in the Tepper era except 2018 Rivera who won 7 but had 16 tries. So I misspoke when I said every single coach in the Tepper era because 2018. But he got everybody else. I think he was a better HC than a DC no doubt. Hell I wasn’t impressed with him as our DC. After totally loving him as the DB coach. Anyway I don’t feel bad about preferring him over all this crap since.