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I agree with this. Not sure what it means for wins but for one thing everyone knows what Young is for sure now. They got NFL film, they are 100% informed on what they are dealing with. They did not know until camp really, what they were really dealing with. Having some continuity on defense should help, and of course they need to stay healthy. So, they will be better. There will be a more informed (by actual reality) offensive design and they have upgraded the talent maybe by enough that execution would make them competitive against at least the bottom half of the league. What in the world makes you think this could be a top half offense? My hope is they will not be 32nd. I don’t think they will be, my realistic hope is they can move the LOS so when we need a yard they’ll feel good about getting it. And that Young learns to be a drop back from under center thrower and deliver an accurate and strong deep ball. I’d settle for accurate enough for a jump ball.

Saying that basically no team would not have passed him by, I guess means that reports that some teams just took Bryce off their boards were false? I don’t know this for a fact but am willing to believe that there were teams that would have passed. I know if I were in charge he wouldn’t be in Carolina.

Yeah. Very good point. The rookie thing with the rookie center calling out protections, with this QB being where he is, that is probably the biggest single factor in not taking a ready to start college guy.

That's football.

Maybe they will get fired. I’m not that upset over it though. One mid second rounder is small stuff when we don’t even know for sure if the guy they took will suck. It’s not like they used the pick on an historically undersized running back. Which is the stuff that tends to piss me off. It doesn’t matter for the point of me being right, but I said before the draft they would pass on one in the 2nd (it’s the Panthers way). They had their plan and we just don’t know how it will play out.

That was essentially a convoluted trade down for a RB, plus we got the 2nd rounder for 2025 which we were short on. Let’s at least see if he is any good this year.. The reason for the RB is Bryce Young’s evaluation. They are bending over backwards to prop him up.

Radio homers.

I thought they were equally impotent. I witnessed horrible fails on a regular basis from both of them. The center thing, that stuff never works. Of course, this is the team that mortgaged the future for weak armed and not super athletic 5'10” 184 unproven quarterback.

It's not like we don’t know there is a panthers .com site. And how to access it. How about, they don’t get to post happy Bryce and Icky fluff until Tepper goes a full year without firing the coach? Or maybe put all their stuff in that 'only positive thoughts allowed' thread a while back.

No apology needed.

Better watch it, before he gets a modified nickname like rXL

Thanks. I was to the point of thinking Josh McCown is a yeller?

I was ready for him to be a guard.

I liked him too. Didn’t give a poo if he wasn’t a new fangled offensive guy.

He needs to slide in between the noise where he Can see. Spread the OL out make sure the RB can pass block, keep a TE in. Only way it can be done that I see. The poo with the deep drop backs screws the tackles way up.

It might be the best way to get him to use proper mechanics. Compared to him tippy toeing while meandering casually backwards. I just don’t see that as fixable but if you dump the meandering scanning on tip toes, take a rhythmically repeatable drop, maybe his passes come out better. Quicker too probably.

I thought he was hurt or something. Is he really holding out? When TF do kickers ever hold out?

That Will be something to trust, probably, as opposed to homers and dreamers looking at it and seeing what they want to see, and blaming everything on everything but their boy. Which some people will still do if it goes that way. I mean, if Jets people say he is a new man, looks so much better, etc, I think I would believe that before praise from Young fans.

That was my preference, I hate using future years to get something now. No big trade ups. Couple spots, keep your future bullets, okay. It wasn’t about Levis it was more about the leveraging the future, and we could have traded back from 9 and got him. Still; have DJ. Etc etc. And when we did trade up and taking a QB was the reality, okay now I need to look at these guys. I came out of it anybody but Young. Just didn’t think he translated. At least the other three have the physical tools that you want if you are going all in. Talking about his processor, you know some guy people said had the highest iQ ever worked odd jobs and as a bouncer, stuff like that. (Bryce and his processor won’t need to do that, but this NFL top 10 QB thing isn’t his calling) The whole package is what you need to find.

He seriously needs to earn a third season as starter. Not saying release him, but right now it wouldn’t take much to beat him out going on what I have seen. At least challenge him year three, if he wins the job, okay. If not he can carry a clip board for a couple of more seasons.

Pads = at least a taste of the real.

IOL was very bad, at times. Zavala may have been the worst I have ever seen on a field in the NFL on the OL. Got his azz beat up and down the field. Non intelligent, the lot of them. Any kind of stunt would leave those guys standing around looking for someone to block while a rusher passes him where they aren’t looking. I get that when you have free rushers coming at you right off the snap, you can’t do a whole lot about it. There other times, numerous times, when he left the pocket and ran into stuff where had he just stayed or stepped up, he is in business. Where the pocket was clean and he didn’t see the open man. Where he misfired or just panicked and threw it OB. That IOL needed fixing anyway so we could get a yard when we need a yard, and have to put in Dalton for the sneak. Lol. edit: fwiw on D, I fear the ILB coverage is going to get exploited big time. No pass rush, so to get one they’ll be a man short somewhere in coverage, I don’t like it a lot. But I would not have liked paying Burns enough to make him happy either. But they slacked off on pass rushers in the draft in favor of accommodating the offensive skill positions.

Even so that is not a long term thing unless Young makes it so. It only tells you so much. It could just as simply be that they were hired under conditions that he be given every opportunity to keep and grow into the job. That will be revisited after the season... or something along those lines. We just don’t know. I know some of you think Young is a star, so you would, but I wonder how many qualified guys would sign on being married to winning with him. There has to be an out. It makes sense that the new guy will do his best with what’s here (first) rather than just can it given the situation. edit: as far as NFL coaching and played and having not played, those vets who are coaching are known for being vet friendly. Canales has said some things that hint he is a coddler, but I feel like he can be pretty cold blooded. No proof just a feeling. Or maybe Morgan will need to be bad cop.

I don’t want to say something inaccurate for one, it wasn’t some huge thing but it was just the type of thing that you go... wait a minute, that isn’t right. A little clue is all you need sometimes.

I want certainty about the QB position one way or the other.