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There was somebody saying something like this: if the Panthers don’t believe the guy has a great future even though he may be able to help in the short term, like he is better than what they have right now, they are passing on the position to get an overall better player. Someone with better long term prospects. That could be a philosophical shift. I don’t enough to judge if it is an improvement to run things that way but I understand the thinking.

We made it to now if he leaves there is compensation. But if Tepper is smart he will match any HC offer and revolutionize the coachihg structure of the NFL.

That should just happen, any time you have a chance to grab real potential. We need to have people who aren’t afraid of being challenged, they enjoy the challenge.

I think it probably would have if he would just get out of his own way. Stuff like bringing in not just a good one, but the top analytics guy, that could be very helpful down the road. Whatever he must be paying Evero probably is on the positive side of what having too much money can help with. I don’t think he’d have necessarily been back without some massaging.

forgot to include the quote: best play in panther history Pretty great. X Clown also. I was always real fond of Jake’s 1st play vs Jacksonville simply for his entrance into the huddle which completely woke people up. That and what they went on to do in that game was a major turning point for the franchise.IMO. Kris Jenkins’ kick xp block vs TB is a big one for me.

I bet one would. But I hear you and hope he can control himself.

Yeah that is the old school way, have your young QB sit. Which I guess got less popular when they had to pay the top draftees so much.

We are going to have to hope Tepper keeps his poo together and lets things breathe a while because Canales was hired ‘early’ for HC and they hope he will adapt and grow. His first test with this QB is a tall order. Hopefully Tepper gets that by now. The real reason he is here seems to be the helping QBs rep that he has, plus I guess he handled his first OC job without any big hiccups. His general background also including WRs.. he should be a passing game guy. That understands the power of the run game. I think OP was looking for someone to say yes the enthusiasm is back and all that stuff, okay. I think he has much more energy than the last two guys, and seems real smart too, knows what he wants, etc. I’m hopeful for the long run, at this very early stage.

Honestly he creeps me out some. Can’t verbalize the entire feeling but TV evangelist vibe is an element, there is also a high school cheerleader facade. So far I like him in his job and think he projects to be good hire, possibly, but there isn’t much to go on yet. I’ll just hope he isn’t too twisted.

Big game and you need this. Your QB misses a wide open target 20 yards downfield or the RB drifted out and has green grass in front of him, and QB hits him in the side of his foot. Plus, loss of down.

I don’t see a path to anything unless they completely build their plan on his strengths. And will add, he must fix his deep ball. Legette is the rX for that from the team. Young has to be a lot better at that. Period. in my case: Or else.

That's the thing. Not Howell for me, but I think there are people out there without the hype machine behind them that would be an upgrade.

I think innovative started here. Never heard that one. It was young, QB guy who comes from Pete Carrol and did WR coaching before QBs. Had success with Seattle’s WRs with Wilson throwing, I think, and moved to working with QBs. I think the attraction was that more than any scheme he might use.

Fell asleep watching that one yeah that has a little something for everybody. I thought it was good and it was fair.

Not having much idea what tweaks to the plan will be made for the height issue... I think ‘okay the LOT vs the edge, most of the time they try to just drive (or direct) them deep. Past the QB'. Now there are these guards and the pocket is supposed to be there to step into. Okay, how the hell is this kid going to be stepping up close to those blockers and see where he is throwing it? And if he steps back extra, that defeats the LOT guiding his rusher deep/out of the play. It might be in to the play because of that. And might also make under center snaps out of whack, I mean if Young has to drop back extra. The timing. All kinds of questions. If I go with the thinking that says it is Canales’ Tampa O, no I do not have much faith in that working out with Young running it. edit: so I think they have to tweak it and I have a hard time picturing it. How it will look.

Penny is pretty good too.

frank wrote: Has the definition of the term "big time throw" changed somewhat recently or? ----- I watched every throw in season and rewatched a few games. He did make some nice throws here and there. Bryce Young style. Not a lot of zip. But so many of his passes were late, behind guys, and I saw a little of that in those highlights.

Did you watch it? I saw stuff that was behind guys and stuff like that I thought it looked pretty average for NFL QBs but I am no PFF metric dog.

We’ll see how Rattler does, he was my pick for some competition.

Well we are in agreement overall on that decision just looking at the fallout differently. I am not a personal fan of Williams from a few quotes I’ve run across but we weren’t taking him so I ignored him as a prospect. I never look at QBs unless we are looking. But if things align a certain way this turns historically bad. The kind of thing children will read about when they grow up.

BTW that article also said there have been 13 times that trade has been made but quite a few were not for QBs. Teams didn’t used to be so hard headed and intentionally blind and if there were no worthy QBs, often they would take the best position player. Seems like that has gone away.

Crippled maybe not, we won’t be running a bunch of sprints either. Just going with Darnold or whatever, DJ Moore, the 9th overall, the 2nd rounders, this year’s 1. if you hit half of those picks ... it’s a pretty devastating outcome. When you look at CJ if he has that same arc again, and Williams, what if he is OROY or something? It is historic. Hard to swallow.

Oh crap forget the stuff below, I missed that is from ’23. I looked again after I posted and saw Mac Jones at 20? He is right there at 28 And that’s pretty damned funny. Send Bryce a link.

And if you agree that teams would not trade a universally generational type, like Manning, then it should be a really small sample size because making a huge trade knowing that is not real sound thinking.

Has any QB taken with the Number 1, acquired by trade, ever killed it? I think the people that are considered generational will never be acquired that way, a team won’t trade. (which makes trading into it more suspect) Okay I looked because I could not remember a QB taken number one where the pick was traded to their team, ever having the career that was envisioned. I thought Vick was the #2 but n o he was the 1st pick. I didn’t look at the price but if he hadn’t fought those dogs he would have been one. Coincidentally, Steve Bartkowski in 1775 and also an Atlanta selection, is the other. I don’t think Goff was a real satisfying selection either but we are talking multiple draft picks and the 1st overall selection is expected be special going into the proposition. What I remember of Bartkowski is he was that really good QB stuck on a crappy team. I think he wopuld be my choice of the three fwiw, to be worth the investment. Maybe not, it was a long time ago. Memory. Since 1967 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35429888/nfl-draft-no-1-pick-trade-history-1967-every-top-selection-changed-teams A footnote: Chicago has an opportunity to nail it with a Number 1 acquired by trade, this year. dammit. We’ll see how that goes.