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Brother we did trade two firsts, go back to the actual transaction. #9 of 2023, #1 of 2024. For one. We traded two for one. Plus. Both 1st round selections. Plus the seconds. Plus DJ Moore. That is supposedly the difference between the Panthers with or without Bryce Young. (and dammit, PHUCK Scott Fitterer). I guess you have to account for at least four years to assess it? It’s not gonna be a good deal. I would say he pretty much needs a great season to earn any leeway, with me... after the lengths they will have gone to, to help him. On top of that initial investment. And no poo, a guy taken where he was taken is supposed to be the one doing the helping. Not needing it. Standards. An acceptable floor at the least. Meet it, don’t meet it. We need to know when that is coming, on the front end.

Ha, man. I thought about the position, practically. If it is for Young then we need the tallest center ever, give him the ball already in throwing position. Add in the contested catch specialist, play with the mentality to throw either side of a specific defender, quickly (and actually learn to do that ), you might have a shot at something fun to watch.

Was trying/failing to quote: A good running game is absolutely script for a young QB. People do get that. People are frustrated with #9’s play since he got here and people should get that too. (edit: yeah, I hope it helps him. it should, I want to see him do the play action. ) No one is coming up in here every day saying Stroud, so that should count for restraint. Because they wouldn’t be wrong.

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Falls under intelligent. Depending.

The silver lining is maybe they will make last year and this year irrelevant and get someone with real potential. My fear is Young will be assisted in every way possible and manage to raise his QBR 10 points and they think he is good enough, and we stay stuck in that mud another two years trying to get to .500 with him. If he is gonna stay the QB he needs to be freaking better than a game manager. Otherwise move on. You did not make those huge moves to settle for that.

I think when you look at the cap numbers those guardes are gonna inflict in three years or so, you don’t want to be spending at C. All for a C if it works out. The right guy could be depth for a season.

If they have in fact hired a coach that can develop QBs then it is wasteful to not maximize that asset. I say plant another row of crops give them some sun and water and see what grows. You'd need to keep 3 QBs at least his first season. So take a guy this year, and roster Dalton as the number two. Maybe next year Dalton would not be required. To me that is worth the roster spot. We ain’t winning anything. It is what I thought should have been happening all along anyway. To me you have to have that franchise guy and you really don’t know where you are going to find him. If you have the skill to train them then you can keep a pipeline of potential guys flowing. You can get a couple of years in with one and get another one on board. Comparatively minimal draft investment needed Just invest the time and effort to get it going and then make it a staple of your master plan. Because you cannot have too many viable young QBs, ever. They are gold.

I don’t feel bad about him. I think people need to accept that you are looking at a guy that has never done the job before, and it is a huge and much different job than he has experience with.

When i visualize it, in my mind I replace the mostly undrafted college defenders with the far superior players in the NFL, and don’t see the performance of the QB translating to beating that. I am unable to see it. All I can see is a just not quite the standard zip being a little wobbly and slow reaching the target... those kind of balls being thrown. Which is where all kinds of bad poo can happen with these cornerbacks these days. Yeah I see where guys get led a little and can get some YAC and I can see someone getting behind someone 20 yards downfield wide open and getting a strike, and it isn’t every single throw that is like I was saying but when the time in the game comes where everyone is stepping up, it is all he has, and I don’t believe in it. edit: and I watch his footwork, throwing mechanics, dropping back, all of it, and think OMG how in the hell is that supposed to work? How do you begin to fix that?

Sad is right, I am sad as poo they saddled me as a fan, with this kid as who I am supposed to pin all my hopes on. But honestly, he just sucks to me ever since I evaluated his film. There were too many hurdles. NFL doesn’t have different tee boxes to even things out for the short hitters. Could they have made it ANY harder to win? Like ‘here guys, here is a cool little derringer, go out there and take out that machine gun nest’. Everything... literally every thing that matters, that is measurable, seems sub par. Except that processor, that we cannot see, and haven’t really been exposed to.

Impossible situations sounds like coach speak to me. Where they know the players are listening or will see it and they do stuff like deflect blame, minimize fault, maximize the difficulty of the failed task, take the blame themselves and on and on. Building up the players, choosing words that suit the moment. That’s the type of thing that seems like it would be to me. As far as this year I’ll probably watch some Alabama games to preview the offense. Which I will resent having to watch my NFL team run. We’ll see.

I don't remember that. If he said that I’d like to know the context because it is not real easy to understand what that’s about.

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I rewatched the 2015 Thanksgiving game vs Dallas this year. Luke....

People can’t seem to grasp that Young’s deficiencies were, along with having Brown design the offense, major reasons we saw the offensive dysfunction that we did from preseason onwards. They were trying to cover him up and all they could do was outlets and throwaways and screens and the safest shortest stuff they could. Has anyone EVER heard a coach say that they were just gonna try and get through the year and address his mechanics in the offseason? It seems clear that it was so much worse than they had anticipated. I have never heard anything like that come from a pro coach about a 1st round pick. Ever.

Last sentence, maybe rethink that working hard bit because it absolutely matters. It doesn’t guarantee success but not doing it will guarantee failure in this guy’s case.. Cam, didn’t have to sweat it much, this guy...he doesn’t have tools on that level. At all. He has to outwork people.

I love that he said that about getting back to work. Bring the lunch pail.

Don’t confuse me as saying what others are saying because I have not. I clearly have said, probably in this thread, it wasn’t that important to me that he bulk up. That isn’t my worry. I got em but that isn’t a big one. People are justified to want to hear or see something indicating he gives a poo and is doing something to improve his chances at success in the NFL. To justify where he was drafted, to prove himself. Etc etc. People criticizing that just want to bitch about something because it is perfectly normal to want to see something . And fwiw I feel pretty sure that that one game he missed was because Reich did not want to keep playing him. But that isn’t proven but there was plenty of noise about it.

I think people want to see/feel that he is doing something. That he is doing all in his power to correct, learn, improve, etc. I haven’t heard anything along those lines from him or about him. Which IMO it is all talk which is cheap, I’ll need you to show me. Maybe we’ll get something.

Snipping that out up there... I am banking that Canales has the advantage of absolute certainty of what he is dealing with at QB and will not be hindered as Reich was last year by Brown’s forced involvement (I never understood why you hire a NFL lifer that played QB and is seen as a QB guru head coach but give a former running back ,who had never done it before, dominion over the scheme) I expect to see more what I expected to see last year. A shrunken field, congested LOS, teams daring our QB to beat them with his arm. So a bunch of short quick stuff but I don’t know what kind of running attack.. depending on if they can get any kind of under center QB play, or if it just all weak ass shotgun type of PA that fools no one. I guess a pro coach can work something up but it does not seem to be anywhere close to an ideal situation. I mean, I believe Canales knows what needs to be done, but I am not sure it can be executed and if not, he can’t do it that way, as we watched happen last year. Which would possible resolve this situation moving forward, and that is what I want to see ASAP.

It wouldn’t hurt him, to be stronger in his lower body, so maybe a finger or two don’t pull him to the ground. Which everyone saw happen. Some forearm and hand strength for better ball security would be nice. But this is what they signed up for with him. A physically weak but supposedly mentally superior ball distributer.

I don’t see bulking up as a big deal. What would it do for him? Won’t help his arm or that disaster he claims as mechanics and footwork. Probably make him a tick less quick, which he is not impressively quick now - doesn’t need to be slower. And the reasoning, I guess, is because it will help him with hits, where he did fine last year at featherweight.

re Corbett: Or that he has missed time two seasons running and you have to have that covered any way you chop it up.

It depends on what is still there at 33. I like Legette and do believe he is what Young needs. Because I don’t think Young is gonna be anything at all unless he gets over the NFL/College open differences. He, rightly, lacks confidence in his ability to put the ball “there” on time. But if he does get over that there will be more contested balls. And that 2.7 second thing should lead to more of it too. But at the same time I don’t feel this urgency to overpack the WR room when they just took Mingo high last year that should be better, and there is Theilen, the new Pittsburgh guy... I mean, year we should find at least one more WR to add to the mix but if there is a killer BPA type that could help at C or CB or LB, stud TE would be useful, whatever looks best.. or a trade for one of the QBs will get us straight. Might even remember that we don’t have a 2nd next year, if you could get something an overpay that gave a future 2, you should do your analysis of that scenario too.