LinvilleGorge

Hey, if you believe in your young QB, then build around him. Or... you could sign Jericho Cotchery and Jason Avant and pimp Byron Bell as a legit NFL LT because he's left handed.

I think last year's stellar rookie WR class is having an impact on the way teams view veteran WRs. All of a sudden it's like teams feel as if they can find a plug and play WR in the draft. That used to not be the case. It used to take a WR 2-3 years of development before you could expect starter caliber production from them. My question is if that's the new norm or was last year's WR class just THAT damn good? I honestly think it's a bit of both. More and more college teams are adopting pass heavy attacks and the WRs are generally coming out better groomed. I think the tighter officiating for DBs in the NFL has a big impact too. Back in the day, NFL DBs were very physical and I think it took young WRs a couple of years to adapt to that style of play. So, I think going forward we'll see more success for rookie WRs, but I still think the 2014 class was very special. 600 yards used to be considered a very good season for a rookie WR. Last year, 9 rookies put up 600+ yards with a 10th coming very close. Three rookies put up 1000+ yards with a 4th coming very close. That's just unheard of.

That looks to me like a guy who is carrying 228# with ease and who could potentially add some more.

LOL @ Haplo E on this thread. I've long thought him to be one of the least knowledgeable posters on this board, but he's really trying to stake his claim for the undisputed #1 spot.

Humphries reminds me a lot of Morgan Moses last year. All along, Moses was considered a mid-round prospect, but as the draft got closer and closer there was more and more talk about him sneaking into the 1st round. He ended up going in the 3rd round. Kind of where he was thought to be all along.

Shaq Thompson at combine: 6'0" 228# Thomas Davis at combine: 6'1" 230#

He's only 30 years old. Someone may trade for that contract, but it won't be us.

All I know is that we have to get an upgrade at WR in this free agent market. Tons of guys out there who are better than Jericho Cotchery and Corey Brown. Even if we plan on adding another WR early, we can't necessarily expect that guy to come in and make a KB type impact. Last year's WR class was truly historic in terms of their impact as rookies. It's not the norm. Not even close to it. There are a lot of veterans out there who would be an upgrade over what we have right now and the depth of the market should drive the some of the prices down.

If there's a guy there at #25 who Gettleman believes will be a good starting NFL OT, then I'm 100% alright with taking him.

Yep. Remember when Atlanta landed an aging Steven Jackson and everyone thought that was going to be their missing piece?

I actually wouldn't mind TB trading valuable draft picks to acquire AP. Sure, he may be a bear to deal with for a season or two, but he's a 29 year old RB who has been ran HARD his entire career. That tread has to be wearing thin. Panthers fans well know the dangers of big money RBs.

Virtually every aging NFL vet is in it for the cash. Ginn just got a decent deal from the Cards last year and despite washing out and getting cut, he probably thinks he can land another one.

Had an $11.5M cap hit this season and wasn't willing to take a pay cut. How much is he looking for? He's 32 years old. Gotta think he would've made more in Philly than anywhere else.

Yikes. Can't wait to see national media headlines on this... "Cam Newton Involved in Nightclub Shooting"

Somebody will offer him more money for longer than we'd be willing to offer. I'd LOVE to have him on a two year deal for decent money. Two years, $12M with $4M guaranteed? Fuging sign me up for some of that! He'll probably get at least double that guaranteed money though.

This. He got his big deal and failed miserably. Maybe he'll be hungry again now to try to earn another one. Carolina can also sell him on immediate playing opportunity and the fact that we have recent success signing vets on short-term deals and put them in a position to cash in after that - Ginn and Mitchell.

I would assume he's fine at this point. Wasn't there talk about him potentially being available for the Super Bowl had we made it there? I could be completely fabricating that, but I seem to remember some talk about it.

TB is god awful. The guy played pretty damn well for the Bengals. The Bucs just massively overpaid out of desperation, just like the Titans did with Oher.

Faster Jason Witten? You serious? Wow. That is truly hilarious. Witten is 3" taller and 15# heavier than O'Leary and his 4.65 40 would blow the doors off of O'Leary. Witten is a prototype NFL TE and a potential HOFer. O'Leary is a guy hoping that he'll make an NFL roster.

Would not be mad about it. Wouldn't be mad at all.

I honestly think it's very possible that weakside 4-3 OLB is where he's best suited.

It's my concern with Collins to be honest. I don't know if you take an in the box safety with poor ball skills in the 1st round. Now, Kam Chancellor is largely an in the box safety, but he also has the benefit of playing with arguably the best CB and best FS in the league. Having a true sideline to sideline center fielder like Earl Thomas playing on the back end opens him up to just wreak havoc and wreak havoc he does. I like what I saw out of Tre Boston last year, but I don't think it's any knock on the kid to admit that he's no Earl Thomas.

Yep, we were very interested last year, but if we weren't willing to give him that type of contract in the FA market last offseason, we sure as hell aren't going to trade anything to acquire that contract with Collins coming off of a bad season. Nor will anyone else. If the Bucs want out of that deal they're gonna have to cut him.

You wouldn't take a really good slot guy and returner in the 4th round? I would. The reason nickel CBs are so valuable these days is because there are a lot of high impact slot WRs out there now. If you can get a good one in the 4th round, I wouldn't even hesitate.

Honestly, I kind of see it the other way. Gettleman seems to want value over anything else in the draft. When a draft is deep at a position, it's probably inevitably going to push some prospects at that position a little further down the board than they may normally go. That's the type of situation Gettleman seems to relish. Last year's WR class was considered one of the best of all time and their rookie production absolutely lived up to the hype they got. At #28, Gettleman still took a WR even though it was the 5th WR off the board. We all know what KB did as a rookie. Once again, if a guy like Jaelen Strong is sitting there at #25, I don't think Gettleman lets him get away. This is another deep WR class, but after the top 4 guys, I think there's a big drop off to the rest of the field. I think Cooper, White, Parker, and Strong are about as close to sure things as you can get in the NFL draft. After those guys though, you have a mix of WRs who have speed but not great hands, have great hands but not great speed, have durability concerns, etc. I think those 4 are probably the top 4 WRs on just about every board, maybe not in that order, but those 4 guys. After those 4, I think boards are going to vary widely based on what teams are looking for in a WR.