LinvilleGorge

Doing nothing is better than making increasingly terrible mistakes. If we had done nothing we'd be no worse off and we'd still have those 2nd and 4th round picks this year. We also wouldn't be on the hook to pay Darnold $18M next year. Yes, Teddy wasn't good and I was fine with moving on from him. But trading for Darnold and picking up that option was idiotic. I said so at the time. Rhule and company continue to make idiotic decisions and you defend them as if they were the only decisions they could've possibly made. It's lunacy.

Anything is better than trading valuable draft assets for a proven terrible QB and then picking up his fifth year option. I sad at the time I would've either signed Trubisky to a low level FA deal or traded a late round pick for Minshew. And them I would've drafted Justin Fields. You keep saying there were no other options than the terrible options we chose but that is simply not true. You just choose to ignore any other possible options.

There are no decent options at Sam's age unless you're talking about the draft. When 23 year old QBs are available via trade or free agency it's because they are fuging trash. Sam is trash. Most of us called that out at the time. It wasn't hard to see.

We had an opportunity to draft two of KC's starting OL last year. We may have passed on those guys because we had picked up bandaid vet FAs who turned out to be really bad. We could've drafted Trey Lance or Mac Jones or Davis Mills. No, we had THE Sam Darnold. We could've signed Trubisky to a FA deal or traded a late round pick for Minshew to get a better bridge QB than Darnold, but no we had to go all in on THE Sam Darnold. Our issue has not been a lack of options or opportunities. Our issue has been that we have morons calling the shots and they've been making moronic decisions.

This. Tepper replacing JR brought great hope. We never achieved consistent success under JR and JR was always going to put the NFL as a whole above the Panthers. Tepper was an insanely wealthy wildly successful hedgefund guy who was supposed to be aggressive and pursuing building a WINNER. Yay!!! Things had grown stake under Rivera and it was time to move on. I didn't like the Rhule hire at the time because he didn't beat good teams at the college level and leaping from Temple/Baylor to the NFL felt like a huge transition to try to make. But, he had hype. He had turned around basement dwellers and made them competitive. He brought in one of the hottest OC candidates in football. Lots of people had good things to say so I was willing to give it a shot. Then we signed Teddy Bridgewater and cut Cam. Way'ment... that failed. Okay, surely they learned. Oh fug, we just traded real assets for Sam Darnold. Some of y'all may recall that was the exact moment I said Rhule ultimately was not gonna work out. He just doesn't get it. Look at us now. At rock bottom and still digging while Tepper just sits there mouth breathing.

Here's what will baffle you. If there's a guy from NCSU at a position of need that will help us, then bring him on.

It's very interesting how threads - or even posts within threads - regarding players from one particular school repeatedly ends in derailment by the same handful of posters time and time again. It only happens for one particular school. But they're not the problem, oh no. They're not the problem. Interesting.

Find where I've said it would be a good idea for us to pursue Mitch Trubisky this off-season. You're just triggered because of where a guy went to school and now you're lashing out at me because... ???

I've talked about plenty of QBs. Y'all just get hung up on the ones you want to get hung up on. Again, a you problem.

We're talking about the NFL. Some of y'all can't get past where folks go to college. That's a you problem.

Yes to ridiculously overpaying for bad QBs, Matt Rhule.

Ah, my bad. Here I thought I was responding to someone trying to have an honest conversation. I see what's going on now.

Read. I didn't say he WOULD resign with Buffalo. I said he'd probably do that before signing here. We're a dumpster fire. He'll likely have an opportunity to compete for a starting job in a better environment. Namely because we're arguably the worst environment in the league for a starting QB.

There's a difference between fear and strategy. Sam didn't have a choice. He was under contract and being traded and his agent knew he wasn't getting that same money on the open market. His agent and the Jets needed a sucker and they found one.

It's all pastureland. He's wanting way too much. We aren't high enough elevation for Christmas tree farming.

I think his is about 60 acres with a couple of nice barns, etc. I'm sitting on 11 but a much newer significantly nicer house.

I'm surrounded by a farm that just sold to older folks who plan to keep it as a hobby farm. Next to them is a guy trying to sell his farm but whatever happens there there's a ridge between me and that. I think he's shopping for a horse idiot anyway. He's asking $1.4M. if he gets anywhere near that, my place is probably gonna hit the market too. To my rear is miles and miles of mountainous wooded terrain stretching to South Mountains State Park that isn't well suited for much of any type of development. I should be pretty well protected for the foreseeable future.

Yep. When we were busy getting wrecked at the negotiating table by the Jets, we should've been either signing Trubisky or trading much less to Jacksonville for Minshew. Better QBs at much better prices. But no... let's trade real assets for the statistically worst starting QB in the NFL in recent memory and then pick up his option to boot! That's "the process" at work. 1000%

Typical Hurney draft. Good 1st round pick followed by a lot of trash, a massive reach in the 2nd on a player once hyped to be a 1st round pick but falling down draft boards fast, and one good late round pick. Little had one of the worst OL Combines in history. The Combine is overrated in a lot of ways but when a guy shows up looking utterly unprepared for the biggest job interview he'll ever have, well that tells you everything you need to know. Little looked like he'd never done any of those drills in his life. Daley isn't a good NFL player, but he's a decent versatile backup caliber player and that's a good 6th round pick. Hurney's fatal draft flaw was always a complete inability to find talent in the 2nd through 4th rounds and that's where a good portion of your roster is built and that was always reflected in his rosters. There were legit star caliber players but the rosters were always very top heavy with no depth and lots of holes.

Rhule has final say. Period. At the end of the day, Fitts was brought here to be a babysitter and paper pusher.

Pretty damn spot on. My only disagreement is that I'm not at all certain that Rhule will recognize that there's no future in Jimmy G level vet QB additions. Everything in his brief NFL experience says the opposite. But yeah, I expect our QB next year to likely be Jimmy G or Kenny Pickett. I can't believe Tepper is willing to sit back and watch this happen.

He's not coming here. He's already endured a dumpster fire in Chicago under Nagy. That's why he jumped on the opportunity to go to Buffalo as a clear backup without shopping for a potential situation to compete for a starting job. He was looking for a reset in a stable situation. He's not going to jump right back into a dumpster fire. I honestly think he'd resign in Buffalo as the backup before he'd come here to compete for the starting job. He knows he almost certainly only has one more opportunity to legit compete for a starting job. He's not going to waste that on a situation like ours where failure is virtually guaranteed. Sorry, that's just the sad reality.

That's been a pretty decent synopsis of my internet experience both in CO and NC. I like to live out in the sticks but that's the price you pay for living out in the sticks. I can only see one other house from my house and I can only see it during the winter.

The other owners reminiscing years from now about that time David Tepper as a new hot shot smartest guy in the room owner went out and gave a college coach out of Temple and Baylor who had never beaten a legit top 25 team a record shattering contract and full control over football operations. We should've known we were getting setup when they forced JR to sell to this clown. Not like they would've forced a sale to a guy who was going to possibly clean their clocks on the field.

He hired an NFL neophyte and quickly gave him full control because he was so sold on "the process". Now he can't deal with the reality that he was wildly wrong so he's going to let the NFL neophyte completely wreck the organization as he tries to learn on the fly while growing increasingly desperate. It's not hard to envision how this whole thing likely plays out and it's not a pretty picture.