LinvilleGorge

It just gets old watching some of y'all act like the guy going broke buying scratch off tickets at the corner store. He can't pay rent this month but it doesn't matter. He's gonna hit it big this time and everyone who thinks otherwise based on historical data is an idiot. The only thing that bothers me here is you constantly trying to paint me into a corner and put words in my mouth while acting like this sage neutral observer yet clearly arguing from a position of strong opinion.

If you weren't so all up in your feels your reading comprehension might be better. Nowhere have I said that Darnold will definitively flop here. Everywhere I have said that's the most likely scenario. Your response has basically been that while we don't KNOW how Sam Darnold will turn out here you sure do want to argue round and round with anyone and everyone suggesting that it's likely it won't be well based on a lot of historically similar situations. You think you don't take stances on here, but you clearly do based on the opinions you argue mightily against.

He's saying the same thing I am, he's just being more careful with y'all's dainty little feelings while doing it.

See above for my actual first post in this thread. You sure do love to try to paint people into black and white corners while acting like you have no opinion but oddly enough vociferously arguing against certain viewpoints. My point is simple. Sam Darnold has been bad. We're banking on him making a dramatic improvement. The history of guys suddenly making a dramatic improvement with a change of scenery isn't good. That's just being realistic. Were betting on long odds here. But sure, keep doing the same mental gymanstics people did last year to convince themselves that Joe Brady was going to wave a magic wand and transform Teddy into an elite QB. I HOPE it happens with Darnold but it's highly unlikely.

His poor tackling concerns me there though. That nickel is pretty key in run defense.

Honestly, I'm not sure Jackson starts this year. I could see a move to nickel for him. If it happens, it'll be interesting. He's a hot head and that could go either way. He could play his ass off with a massive chip on his shoulder or he could get butthurt and pout.

History is largely fact based, predictions of the future are almost entirely opinion. It's a fact that Darnold has been a bad starting QB through three seasons. A legit argument can be made that he's been the worst starting QB in the NFL over the last three seasons. Everything else about his potential play here is almost entirely opinion. Meanwhile, we have the pie in the sky holier than though homer crowd trying to claim fan superiority by engaging in mental gymanstics on how and why Darnold is going to be so much better here (even though Teddy wasn't) while their only response to the people who aren't exactly sold on that line of thinking boils down to

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Fields but Fields has a BIG problem and that problems name is Matt Nagy. Dude is trash.

Says the guy whose literal every post is the same damn thing. Shitting on anyone voicing an opinion while proclaiming superiority due to being unwilling to take the chance of offering an actual opinion. Your posts are useless.

I think we were all in on Watson and then Stafford had a much better option. The Lions to their credit wanted to do right by him. We would've had to have offered considerably more than the Niners to get him. The Niners should be legit contenders with him.

Favre was a second round pick by a team whose coach didn't want him. They traded him for a 1st after his rookie season. Delhomme was a UDFA JAG not a guy drafted and groomed to be THE guy. Brees is probably the best comp you named but he was several levels above what Darnold has been. The odds aren't impossible but they're definitely long. We're trying to get rich off a penny stock.

I think we'll be done with scrap heap QBs if that happens. I think Tepper will be at the end of his patience for that approach. He's said that consistently winning in the NFL is about coach, GM, and QB. He's let Rhule dumpster dive at QB up until this point but I think he'll probably be told to target a guy and GO GET HIM if it fails again. Is there a prove vet available? If not, who's the guy in the draft we like and can go get? But no more mid-level vets who we think can take the next step or busts we think we can reform. Go all in on getting a stud.

There have been two QBs I've been absolutely convinced would bust simply based on their attitude and demeanor in the press leading up to the draft - they were Josh Rosen and Paxton Lynch. Both just reeked of cockiness. Not the good type of swagger cocky, the "I'm too good to possibly fail" type of cocky.

You literally said a lot of successful QBs would be considered busts if Darnold is currently considered a bust. When pushed to name names there's been nothing. We're betting on long odds. That's all I'm saying.

"Shopping" him very well could mean we were just shopping for an idiot. We probably had a shoot the moon price for him and no one bit

What's the point of posting if every post is implying we don't know the future (no poo) and avoiding going out on a limb with an actual opinion at all costs? I mean, is there any real argument over history being stacked against Darnold working out here? Sure, we're betting otherwise. We know that. But there's a reason why there weren't any other suitors and in my opinion we got ripped off. Everyone knew the Jets were taking Wilson and needed to move on from Darnold. There was no rush to cut a deal. There was no competition for him. We were bidding against ourselves... just like I think we probably were with Teddy last year.

It's why we drafted Marshall IMO. He's similar to Robby. It's tough having two big money players in a position group.

Then the only thing we disagree with is the likelihood of his success. History says it's low. Why pointing that out triggers you so much betrays your actual take. You always try to avoid going out on a limb and actually stating an opinion while making your opinion very obvious with the posts that trigger you. That's the only thing that bothers me about your posting style. Just state your opinion. It's fine if you're wrong but don't get all triggered and argumentative while acting like you don't have an opinion but oddly enough only getting triggered and argumentative about a very small subset of opinions. Just come with it. It's okay.

No, I'm not. It's a fact that Darnold was a bust in NY. It's likely he won't be successful here. That's based on historical trends. Again, things aren't black and white like you always try to force on everyone else while trying to live in gray areas with your own takes.

I'm just asking that if you're going to say something as if it's based on reality to be ready to back it up. Don't say crap like there are "a lot" of guys coming from this type of situation that have become successful starting QBs. There aren't. We're betting on him becoming one of the few. We'll see if that's a smart bet, but good grief at the homers who are acting like successful turnarounds happen all the time and that we've got this slam dunk at QB when that's faaaaaar from the truth.

I figure it was just to see if anyone would be willing to offer us something stupid. As soon as we drafted Marshall that was basically the writing on the wall for Anderson in Carolina long-term. I'm sure we're very willing to let him play out his contract then let him walk and take the comp pick next year.

Name another guy who has played as poorly as Darnold through three years who got bounced from his original team and went onto become a successful starting QB. I don't think you're going to find "a lot". People keep clinging to Tannehill while ignoring that he was FAR better in Miami than Darnold ever was in NY.

Yeah, all these people acting like he has the weight of the world off his shoulders getting out of NY aren't being realistic. There's only 32 starting NFL QB jobs available. He just got bounced from one and there wasn't exactly a bidding war for his services. This is likely his last shot to walk into a building as the presumed starter.

Yep, if he turns Darnold around he's going to be a VERY hot interview on the HC carousel next year.

The Jets flat out sucked. We'll find out how much of it was on Darnold this season when he takes the field for us surrounded by better weapons with a better OC calling the shots.