LinvilleGorge

Yeah, with other NFL QBs - even bad ones - you can see flashes of ability. They don't suck because they flat out don't have the physical tools. Maybe they aren't making the right reads or maybe they aren't throwing the ball accurately enough or maybe they just break under pressure, but when things go right they look the part. When things go "right" for Bryce he completes a five yards slant with no velocity. He just doesn't look like he belongs out there.

No amount of sitting is going to allow for Bryce Young to develop NFL level talent.

You named all of those guys and only one of them (Foles) ended up being a 28-30 year old SB QB and he was signed to be a backup to an elite QB and ended up getting an elite team across the finish line catching lightning in a bottle. Thanks for making my point for me.

Horrific? Goff threw for 3800 yards and 28 TDs in his second season. How's Bryce tracking?

I think the changes just led people to believe that a guy like Bruce could translate to the NFL now. Guys who lack NFL measurables have been putting up big numbers in college forever but in decades past NFL evaluators would look at them and say "great college player but it's almost certainly not gonna translate to the NFL" and they'd go on to be a mid to late round pick. But with the rule changes they see a guy like Bruce who they think checks all the boxes outside of elite physical talent and they convince themselves it can work now. Wrong. There are still very real physical prerequisites.

Convince Houston of that and let's swing a trade. LOL

I've given up on Tepper stopping his incessant meddling. I just want someone to get in his ear at this point and convince him that the biggest flex possible for him would be to sell the Panthers for way more than he bought them for just a few years later. Then he can focus on doing something that would really help him leave his mark like bringing MLB to Charlotte or really anything besides continuing to ruin NFL football in the Carolinas.

The problem is you gotta draft them to get them though. SB caliber 28-30 year old QBs are simply not available.

Partly that and partly because of the rules changes making easier on the offense. With the rules changes you're handicapping yourself if you don't run a more open concept pass happy offense. That's what the rules are designed to reward.

This is only going to keep getting worse with NIL and the transfer portal the way it currently is. Now if a guy isn't getting the PT he wants right now or has an opportunity to go to a bigger higher profile program there's a good chance he's gonna transfer out to the highest bidder. College systems are probably going to get even further simplified because now you're dealing with even more years over year roster turnover. There isn't development, everything has to be focused on plug and play. But again, that's not the fault of college coaches. They're not making the rules. They're just trying to do everything they can to win college football games within the structure of the rules they're given to abide by.

Is it working on the college field? If yes, then that's the extent of the responsibility of the college coach. Period. Putting NFL development on college football coaches is lazy. That's not their job. You have to develop your own players or you have to adapt your systems to work with the talent you're getting. We're seeing more and more of the latter and less and less of the former.

Stroud looked bad last night to the point that I honestly think he was probably playing hurt. He was getting up mighty slow from some of those hits. Just a typical Thursday night football game. Most of those games suck and weird things happen more often from injuries to good teams looking like poo, etc. The Jets are absolutely desperate too. They haven't quit. They suck but you better not overlook them because they know their back is against the wall. As long as they're mathematically alive you're probably in for a dog fight at least.

Some of this also falls on football geek coaches who pride themselves on the complexity of their systems. It's like a badge of honor to be running the most complex, hard to grasp system. Why? Your job isn't to put more bullshit on the plate of your players it's to help put them in the best situation to succeed. Instead of sitting around trying to figure out how to add additional layers of complexity they should be sitting around trying to figure out how can I accomplish the same thing more simply? Do I really need all this verbiage or can I accomplish the same thing with less? The simpler you can make it for the players on the field the higher the chances are for success.

Brady is wrong. College coaches' jobs are to win college football games not develop NFL players. For the past couple of decades the college game has been the driver of innovation in the game. The new "pro style offense" is basically a college offense with additional layers of complexity. It's a lot more similar to a college offense than the traditional pro style offense.

Pretty much. Seems like you basically know what you have within a handful of games when it used to be the norm for even future great QBs to struggle for a year or two, sometimes even mightily. You just wanted to see the physical talent and see signs of being coachable, putting in the work, and moving in the right direction. But these days of a guy sucks right out of the gate he's probably just gonna continue to suck. I think part of it is a lack of patience due to the expectations of early success. If a guy shows the talent, the work ethic, and he's coachable you probably wanna hang in there for awhile to see if it all starts to come together. Early turnover issues or getting hung up on the first read and similar stuff that used to be expected out of young QBs can be worked with. Just hang in there and see how it goes over time. That lack of patience also comes from ownership suites where there's oftentimes a quick trigger finger on coaches and GMs. Those guys know if they don't start producing wins quickly they'll be shown the door so it's hard to have patience developing a QB in that type of environment.

How would I be able to tell the difference?

Odd how the GM in title keeps changing but the decisions keep being bad. It's almost like they're just rubber stamps for someone else or something.

Odd how the GM in title keeps changing but the decisions keep being bad. It's almost like they're just rubber stamps for someone else or something.

Based on what we got for Johnson can you imagine how laughably awful the offers are that we're actually turning down? We probably have teams trying to get Jaycee Horn for a 7th rounder in 2026 conditional upon him re-signing for vet min. LOL

Not surprised. He isn't playing well and he quit on the field. He probably lost the support of the coaching staff and the locker room with that "I need a breather" mess. I'm honestly surprised they didn't just tell him to hit the lockerroom right then and there.

LOLOLOLOL

We got even less than what we traded for him. LOL

David Tepper having weekly meetings with a football coach about football is like a football coach having weekly meetings with David Tepper to criticize and browbeat him about the proper ways to run a large hedge fund. The person in power is woefully inadequate compared to the person being forced to defend his tactics. It's the foundation for a catastrophically imbalanced relationship and we've seen this play out on the football field in real time ever since Tepper started his heavy meddling on the football side starting in his second year of ownership. I really wish he could accept that it has been an obvious net negative and just go back to focusing on the business side.

The Giants are trash and they'll beat us in Germany by at least two TDs.

No clue how he didn't get that second foot down. Helluva catch then he just couldn't get the foot down after the hit.