LinvilleGorge

Bingo. Anyone still paying attention to the talking heads clamoring for clicks, reactions, and shares is playing themselves.

If he looks worse or no better next year you have to either pull him pretty quick and go to a vet and try to salvage the season or just ride his ass all the way to the highest pick you can get like we did with Clausen.

Slump? You think he's gonna be worse? Oh wee mayne.

I'm talking about basic physical traits. He has one of the worst arms in the league. He struggles to see downfield when the pocket gets muddy. Those aren't development issues. Those are generic issues.

Jon Gruden and crew immediately won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team in TB.

It's not even the numbers for me. It's the eye test. If his numbers were bad but he showed elite talent I'd be willing to have more patience but he just hasn't shown NFL talent.

Just stunning lack of self awareness. LOL! You're right that I do have an agenda here and it's just to point out your massive hypocrisy.

Yeah, Allen wasn't perfect. He missed some throws. I said it in the game thread. Mahomes also missed back to back potential TD throws late. It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is pretty hard and that football is a team game and not just two QBs playing one on one.

Who are "people"? Those people were idiots.

Good lord, man. How many excuses have you made for Cam? For Deion and Shadeur? Hell, I think you're spot on with Cam but for you to call pointing out failures of organizations and coaching staffs sad and pathetic is just wildly lacking in self awareness.

My point is you have to try to maximize your window. It's hard to be consistently good in the NFL. Lord knows we should understand that.

Brown looked very good as a rookie. He had a down second year and a lot of folks overreacted to that. But you are smoking that real good poo if you tink there's any evidence that Tepper's organization will do what they should do. I'm not saying draft a QB. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass on one that you really like. The trade is a sunk cost. Those assets and the pick we spent on Bryce are gone. We aren't getting them back. You have to evaluate him for what he's shown not what you thought he'd be. If there's anything that Tepper should understand as a finance guy it's that.

What's annoying is you constantly acting like games are just head to head matchups of superstars because superstars are all you can see. You act like a 13 year old girl with this stuff. Sorry, but that's just the truth. I'm not even an Allen fan. I think he's fun to watch but that's the end of it. Hell, I thought the guy was gonna be a massive bust. He's one of the least accurate passers I've ever seen in college no exaggeration.

We thought Cam had time too. Injuries can derail anyone, especially with Allen's playing style. Cam was iron man too right up until he wasn't.

Agreed all the way around.

We're talking about what they should do not what they will do. We already know that Tepper's Panthers are extremely unlikely to do what they should do.

Decent vet to push Bryce with the primary intention of trying to give Bryce his best chance to prove he can be what we thought he could be. If that doesn't work out, time to look at the '25 draft. Now with that said, if there's a guy you really like at #33 that you're shocked is still there, I don't think you pass. Honestly, I think you're pounding the phones trying to move up a pick or two into the bottom of the 1st to get him. Sorry, but Bryce really was that bad and showed that little promise.

The Bills have absolutely done a better job of fielding a consistently good team than we ever did. But they've also failed to put together a season anywhere near as good as our 2015. They've yet to make a legit SB run under the current regime. I'm not saying they should fire McD. But I'm also saying they should be analyzing everything from top to bottom trying to figure out what can get them over the hump. Lord knows they fully realize what it's like to come up short again and again and again. Do they really want Josh Allen's career to be a repeat of Jim Kelly's?

You really are hung up on "super stars". As if it's just two QBs out there playing one on one.

Well, they are Panthers North so I guess the obvious thing to do is nothing and then later look back and belly ache over the moves that could've been made to get us over the hump when we had a window. Getting Josh Allen beat to hell and damaged derailing his career would be the chef's kiss.

They certainly didn't win it either. McD is a defensive coach and for a good chunk of the game his D was getting straight up boat raced. A super lucky fumble through the endzone and the worst rule in sports rearing it's ugly head is honestly the only reason the Bills had a shot late.

Pray tell who in the current top 10 (as subjective as that even is) could you honestly envision Bryce being better than?

Honestly, it's a lot harder. The resources are more limited in terms of the talent pool and you can't have multiple investors. You can't just buy stock in Patrick Mahomes for example. You have to identify him as that dude and find a way to get him then no one else can have him.

I'm not advocating for "blowing it up" but trust and believe if you were a Bills fan right now you're seriously questioning whether McD can get you over the hump. Remember when most Panthers fans wanted Shula poo canned after we went 15-1, made a run to the SB, and Cam won the MVP? Most other NFL fans almost certainly thought we were crazy and that Shula was gonna be a HC somewhere the following season. Well, the majority of Panthers fans were absolutely right. Shula was trash.

What makes that so obvious?