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I mean, we're 5-12. We still have a lot of problems to solve. But yeah, I think Reich either took this job as a retirement check or he mailed it in when we drafted Bryce. Either way, not a good look on his part.

Kraft was very recently committing hard to Mayo. Not typical soft commitment you see from owners who are still pondering or maybe kening toward letting a coach go. He was going to the mat for Mayo hard. Then - boom - fired. Not saying it's because of this but it wouldn't be surprising if it was.

I only separate them because they are indeed separate. That making me right is why I've been making the same consistent argument on this matter for years.

A good chunk of them won't be here next year and nothing about next seasons outcomes will be impacted by today's post game jubilee. That's all I care about. We sucked this year. We've sucked for several years now. All I want is to not suck in the future. 4-13 vs. 5-12 means nothing but lost draft capital in terms of our future.

In terms of measurable variables (draft capital) it is a negative. There's nothing measurable about the potential positives. Morale and culture and whatever aren't measurable data points. Maybe they're real and impactful, maybe they're not. Draft capital is definitely real though.

Draft pick capital is measurable. Once the pick is made it's no longer draft capital. It's a player that you control their draft rights. These are two entirely separate things. You could've simply typed "I also don't understand logic" and saved yourself considerable time.

You're the one making the logical fail. What you're trying to argue is the same as trying to argue that you turned on a light by flipping the switch yet there wasn't a bulb in the socket. It didn't matter that you flipped the switch. The switch was irrelevant because there was no bulb in the fixture. The Bucs game was the bulb and our game was the switch. There had to be a bulb in the fixture for the switch to come into play. There was no bulb in the fixture.

There's some really bad logic going on in this thread. LOL!

Tell tht to the Colts. Peyton Manning was the #1 pick in 1998.

The Tampa game made the result of our game irrelevant. The Falcons were out no matter what.

What you do with the draft capital is a totally different ballgame. But if you're not in the playoffs you're better off drafting as high as possible.

I would rather draft #1 overall than later on the draft. Moral victories can't be measured. Draft capital can be. One has real value. The other is cope.

That's definitely not kinda knocking them out. Like not at all kinda knocking them out.

If you're not in the playoffs you're better off being as high in the draft as possible. This isn't difficult to grasp.

Draft capital is real. That's my point. Your point is that I don't remember exactly where we would've been drafting in those previous years and that's completely irrelevant and pointless. Cry about not understanding logic.

Me remember exactly where isn't relevant. No, players don't tank. They have their own careers to worry about. You're making zero relevant points here.

We might not know for a decade or even longer. For quite awhile it looked like the Chargers won that Eli trade big time. But it ended up being two rings to none.

Bryce looked way better than I thought was possible today. Am I calling him a top 10 NFL QB now? C'mon... are you serious? What I saw today showed me that he might have the potential to be that though and that's huge.

And the relevance is....? The lost draft capital is still real.

That's what I've heard several times during late season wins during the Tepper era. Draft capital is real and measurable. Moral victories are fleeting. That's just reality.

Draft capital is real and measurable is the point.

We also have a history of picking our GOAT WR in the mid-3rd round.

No we didn't. The Bucs won so the Falcons were out no matter what.

Falling from #6 to #8 is the equivalent of losing a mid-3rd round pick.

We can start giving him credit when he's not the losingest owner since he bought a team.