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Yeah, I just don't see a lot of supporting evidence for that. I give Bryce a lot of credit for how he handled his benching and how he responded to it.

I honestly think there's a very good chance that Canales can see it. I just don't know if it's his call. I don't know that he has the ability to bench Bryce without Tepper's blessing. It happened last year so there's hope, I just hope it happens again soon. We need to see Dalton starting ASAP while there's still time on the clock before the trade deadline. We have options right now. We won't have options left in a few weeks. Even if you end up blowing it all up and doing a full reset after this season, you gotta show those candidates that you gave the current crew every chance to be successful because I think the common belief out there in NFL circles right now is that you're fighting a massive uphill battle working for David Tepper.

Yeah, I honestly think we're in about that same situation right now. Put a ROY level QB talent on this roster and we could probably win about 6 games. Similar to Cam's rookie year. I don't think anyone is arguing that we're a good team.

I don't blame him for the Harbaugh thing. That was never going to work. There's no way Tepper and Harbaugh can coexist. What I hope Tepper can eventually wrap his head around is that the folks who can coexist with him aren't the folks who are going to build a winner. It seems like he went all in on Rhule and realized that was a mistake but misidentified the mistake. The mistake wasn't handing over the reigns to a football guy, the mistake was handing over the reins to a career college guy.

But if you're Canales and Morgan you're trying to save your jobs. I get it from our perspective. Yeah, it's onto the draft. Talking next year's draft in September is just an annual Panthers' tradition in the Tepper era. But honestly, I'm kinda over that too. Another reset is probably going to go similarly. Folks with other options aren't lining up to work for David Tepper. It looks like a retirement plan because it's gonna help your bank account but it might kill your NFL career, at best it's going to be a significant setback. At this point, I'd honestly rather us do what we can in the meantime to give Canales and Morgan every opportunity to show that we don't need another reset with another batch of guys who no one else was considering for the level of position that we hire them for.

It's getting old watching Panthers player look as good as they're ever gonna look on opening day of their rookie season. We just don't develop talent. Chuba is one of the few guys in recent years who has actually significantly improved as Panther vs. when he was drafted. There's a loooooong list of guys who havent.

Just another thing to add to the long list of things that the Huddle could see that the Panthers' well paid professional evidently can't. To be clear, I don't blame Bryce. I don't blame him for not participating at the combine. Most top prospects don't. There's little to gain and potentially a lot to risk. Does he really want to go out there and float his ducks while Levis and Richardson and Stroud are throwing lasers? It's gonna be a bad look. I don't blame him for not having NFL measurables. It was always obvious. It's the Panthers' fault for thinking that these were things that could be overcome. I didn't blame Armanti Edwards or Jimmy Clausen either. All I can ask of players is to put in the work. It seems like all of these guys did what the coaches asked of them and they just weren't good enough. That's not their fault.

Yep. The people holding out hope for Bryce just aren't grappling with this. He is every bit as arm limited as Cam was post-shoulder injuries. Honestly maybe even more so. Then you complicate matters further with his height leading to him struggling to see the field and lacking Cam's running ability... I mean, he's cooked. You can't fix things that are unfixable. It's why coaches love players with prototypical physical tools. They all think they can fix mechanical issues or decision making issues because theoretically it's possible. You're can't coach a 5'10" guy 6'5", you can't coach a noodle arm into a cannon, you can't coach a slow guy fast. That's not possible.

There's definitely people complaining about people being critical of him.

For what? Other teams watch these games too. Who is trading anything for Bryce Young knowing they're gonna be on the hook for $26M guaranteed?

I'm starting Dalton immediately with several weeks remaining before the trade deadline. That way if he struggles I still have options. If he goes out there and looks like ass, I'm absolutely on the phone trying to get someone like Howell or Jameis. If I'm Canales I'm realizing that if I can't show my offense can move the ball and put up points I'm probably cooked. Turnovers be damned, I have to prove my offense can actually move the ball and score.

Picking up the option on Bryce's contract would be absolutely insane. Dumping another $26M guaranteed into this failed experiment would be the dumbest thing we could do.

We literally went to a Super Bowl with an NFL Europe backup QB. LOL We need to look everywhere for upgrades. Free agency, draft, potential low value trades. Looking for THE savior led to this Bryce Young debacle.

Yeah, they're shortening his career letting him take these beatings. And I put some of the blame on him too. He lobbied HARD for them to re-sign Higgins. I mean, I get it. You have chemistry with the guy, etc. But that's where as a GM you just gotta sit him down and be like "Listen man, we want you to play another decade plus and that's not gonna happen if we don't protect you and I'm gonna struggle to protect you if we have two of the highest paid WRs in the league tying up our cap space. We can't afford to keep him and protect you and I have to value protecting you. We can get similar production out of a lesser player with Chase on the other side drawing the coverage."

I thought paying Tee Higgins was a huge mistake. Not that he isn't a very good WR, but just that they already have huge money tied up in Chase and they desperately need help on the OL. Having the best WR tandem in the NFL doesn't do you much good if the QB is having to run for his life immediately after taking the snap on most plays. I know tag and trades get talked about by fans far more than they actually happen, but that really seemed like an ideal tag and trade situation. You don't want to let that guy walk for a 3rd round comp pick but you can't afford to pay him either with the other glaring roster needs.

The Bengals getting off to a slow start is every bit as predictable as the Panthers winning a couple of throwaway games late to tank their draft position. What's off in Cincy is the same thing that's been off in Cincy for awhile now. They're absolute trash on D and on the OL.

Burrow isn't expected to return until December. By then the Bengals' season is gonna be over. They're insane if they put him back on the field again this year.

You're gonna drive yourself crazy focusing on draft position this early. This is a long, hard slog and spoiler alert... we're gonna win just enough throwaway games post-Thanksgiving to knock us into the bottom portion of the top 10 and give the copers hope that Bryce has turned the corner again.

Joe Burrow should probably win the MVP in absentia. The Bengals are every bit as bad as we are sans Burrow.

Oh for sure. We could have the greatest lab built kicker in the history of football and we'd still be getting our ass kicked. LOL

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. I mean, if you can significantly impact the other team's starting field position on kickoffs that should show up in the results in the long term but it's definitely gonna show up in the margins. Putting the ball through the uprights or not is going to be the much louder signal in the data. Neither is gonna matter when you're going out there and just getting straight wood shedded. LOL

Every other team in the league practically has a kicker that's good from 60. This guy barely made it to the endzone on a 55 yarder that was wide right even if it was long enough. Like Cam said, keep the main thing the main thing. Cool, you have a nifty little kickoff trick. That's nice. But putting the ball through the uprights is the main thing.

First thing's first, Tepper has to GTFO of football operations. Like all the way out. Go run the business. Leave football up to the football people. If the football people aren't working out then replace them and lean on football people to help you find those replacements. Until this happens then we are who we are.

I mean, that's literally what they said about him. One of the most impressive attributes Allen displayed in his maiden year in professional football was his tireless work ethic. He was a “first one into the building and last one out” player, always looking for extra coaching after practice or wearing out the battery studying film on his Bills-issued iPad. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/01/25/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-2019-training-jordan-palmer/2676780002/ You don't go from the guy I watched in college at Wyoming to the NFL MVP without absolutely working your ass off.

Having a weirdly phenomenal player at QB IS a culture changer.