MHS831

Folks, this is a performance-based test---taking it may familiarize you with the context, but not really the performance. It is about processing speed, the way I understand it, not memorization or intelligence. Why not say, "Of course his 40 time is good--he has been running it since high school!" If you are going to criticize the test, understand exactly what you are criticizing. A better argument would be that they have 1 version of the test and Bryce has taken it so often, he knows the sequence....but there is no indication that is the case. Let's try not to engage in dumbassery here.

Good point. My view is this: If you have the upside you are selling, another year in college should elevate you above the others.

Person's other source.

It is a tremendous burden, but when I watch NFL Now or Path to the Draft, etc. I think, "We already knew that..." or something to that effect. We are a reliable source of nawlige and wisdumb.

I just think he could go transfer portal, but the extra year would benefit him. To me, the dumpster fire at UF (I agree) should not push him into the NFL before he is ready. Will the NFL team that picks him have talent? He will sit for a season, when he could have been playing and gaining experience. He was in a tough spot, but I am worried that his agent said, "You can get drafted in the first round" and showed him how many zeroes there are in a million. I dunno.

A real possibility if he can get it. I hear that the talent levels off in the late first and does not drop again until the late second/early third. Gonna be interesting to watch him navigate this draft. I think (as I read words and use my brain) that the Panthers are more interested in a G than we realize--one poster made a good point--they like BC more as a swing T. He was the weak link last year, and finding a LG is not hard to do. I also find their complete refusal to address CB in the offseason a bit interesting. Who knows what the edge situation is because we do not know how people will be used. I think they will address WR in the third or after. I think G will be a shocker earlier than we all expected. You heard it here second.

I am thinking like Scott Fitterer here, not MHS: "Sure, I would take first rounders to give up on Young and take Stroud or AR---if you give me picks #2 and #12 this year--I would do it. That is unlikely, so we are going with the guy who made us move up in March--Bryce" And I do not think Ryans or the Texans would do it. He is a defensive-minded coach and he does not see bringing in a QB to pilot a ship that is still under construction. (based on his recent presser).

When Person says, "Sources tell me..." he means us.

And across the Carolinas on that warm evening in late April, near and distant pistol shots littered the night air like July 4th fireworks, soon followed by emergency sirens as new widows run crying through the streets....

If you consider the upside and all variables, you could have a very valid point--

I think it will be an edge or CB. I think CB would freak people out, but I see it as (perhaps) a bigger need. The OLB/edge position could feature more Luvu and maybe even Chinn with Grugier-Hill and Smith filling in at Luvu's ILB spot. That could minimize the need for an edge rusher...and I have always thought, "Don't grab your edge in round 2..." but this year just seems excessively deep at edge. Edge players tend to do well at combines, all star games, and pro days because they are incredible athletes that feast in those settings. CB, however, is an interesting story. Jackson is coming off an achilles tear and they take time. He was injured in November, so his recovery could take up to nine months (August, 2023). Horn has had serious injuries to his foot and wrist, both putting him on IR. Behind them, you have Henderson who has spent 3 seasons with a PFF score in the 50s--he is a serviceable backup--preferably, a #4. Taylor has also been rated in the low 50s (PFF) and he is also a backup--preferably, a #5. Now, we are switching to a 3-4 and that will involve more cover 2 and 4--(zones) and that could work to their favor--I dunno. I still think we need another guy with starting potential.

I honestly think all QBs are risks, and I understand the appeal of AR--but when has he been great? When has Bryce not been great?

He is an incredible athlete and watching him throw is amazing. I just think you don't pull the cake out of the oven because it smells good now--

Here is what bothers me about AR: 1. He scores well on the S2 (reportedly a home run even though others possibly scored higher). 2. He flicked the ball 70 yards at the combine. 3. He ran in the 4.4s 4. He completed 53% of his passes at Florida and did not say, "I need another year in college". 5. He has one season as a starting QB in college and did not say, "I need another year in college." Yes, you could argue that his WRs dropped passes (because that only happens at UF) and you could argue that he is going to be an early first round pick. Is that because AR is good or because he has the skill set to be good and desperate teams are willing to take extraordinary risks to get a franchise QB? I think the best advice would have been to stay in school, get 20+ games of experience. Show the world that the 53% completions in 2022 was a fluke. Work on your mechanics. Be the #1 overall pick in 2024.

I saw him with Steve Mariucci doing a white board chat and he seemed brilliant. I think he is a career backup with starting potential in a few years.

Not sure how it has been validated, except people are saying Brock Purdy is the poster boy for it. Still, it is an interesting concept. In fact, they should put a mini S2 in your car and if you don't pass it after a certain hour it calls an Uber for you.

When you have Young scoring in the 90s, Levis scoring in the 90s, and AR "knocked it out of the park"--what does that even mean? Listen, he could be great, but he hasn't been great yet. I say the same for Levis. Young has never been NOT great. Discuss. Seriously--nobody knows--but AR is a gamble because game tape does not have bouncing dots or white boards. The combine does not have QBs throw vs. a rush and coverage. So when all is said and done, go back to the tape. AR could be great--and knowing that the Panthers are probably going with Young, it scares me because AR could be better one day--but not today.

I don't think Houston and Coach Ryans is going to trade up for a QB right now that they can't protect. They have too many needs. It does make sense, however, for them to trade back, collect a few extra picks, and go hard after a QB next year--the pickings will be better next year than this year. I predict that they trade with someone like the Colts and get Anderson at #4 and maybe get a first in 2024 and pick 35 this year--there, they could land a WR--and they would have 2 firsts to get the QB they want in 2024.

Me too. If I were the Panthers, I would ask for #2 and #12 this year. Reading tea leaves: That could be why they brought in Joey Porter Jr. for a visit. Can you imagine getting Stroud and a stud CB? It could also explain why the Panthers are saving a bit more cap room than other teams.

Especially if we draft Young, but I can argue our second need for CB, WR, Edge--TE and OL just fall by default in my mind---but I see that point.

You are not alone--I think he will do both, and that could decrease the need at LB---hard to know until we see it.

In college I knew a "Rusty Nail."

I would not be surprised to see a WR drop (Hyatt, Johnson) or CB (Forbes, Ringo).

Same thought, but I counted 5 Edge players who will be taken in the first round. On average, 8 Defensive Linemen are taken in the first round, and Dane Brugler's top 100 list confirms this, with 5 edge players and three DTs--however, I counted another 5 who I think are impact players and they are listed between picks 33 and 60: 33. Ojulari (LSU), 44. Felix (Kansas State), 46. Will McDonald (Iowa State), 47. White (Ga Tech), 58. Derrick Hall (Auburn); and 60. Foskey (Notre Dame). We have had Ojulari and Hall in for visits. An interesting point I came across in an article from a KC Chief website concerning "success rates" for positions taken in various rounds: DB: Second round: 46% success rate; third round: 24% success rate. WR: Second round: 49% success rate; third round: 25% success rate. TE: Second round 50% success rate; third round: 39% success rate. Forgetting about edge rushers because the stats did not specifically categorize 3-4 OLBs, it seems the best chances for success would be to take a WR in round 2 and a TE in round 3. However, I do not see the WR group being that great in round 2--if 5 go in round 1 (Jaxon Smith-Nj, Addison, Flowers, Hyatt, and Johnson), I see Downs as the only possible selection. I do not see there being a wide selection of CBs from which to choose in round 2 either, unless 35. Forbes or 36. Ringo drop. Therefore, I would expect the team to go Edge at 39 and maybe TE at 92 or so, based solely on these percentages and the talent that could be there at the time of the pick. If so, we are in trouble at CB and WR> It is hard to gauge edge rushers according to the info I had because they seem to be included with DL and LBs are another group. However, I think the edge rushers are deep in this draft.