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Why? Do you think the headband is too much?

There might be 2 or 3 QBs in next year's draft who will become starting material. Two or so will bust. There will be 8-12 teams who will be looking for a QB. So you waste a year waiting for a 25% chance of drafting a QB that has a 50% chance of being successful? The guys seem better now because they have not been scrutinized like this group has been--yet. S2 scores, measurables, tape, combine, interviews, etc. To the main point: the NFC South is ripe for the picking NOW. THIS year. Anyone in the NFC South planning for next year when they have the pick of the litter NOW should be tried and convicted of committing a felony and fraudulently misrepresenting the fan base if they make moves to have a chance to draft the 2024 QBs

But he refers to "common sense". Game, set, match. Doesn't that trump all facts, data, and evidence?

My outfit got leaked, but I have been rehearsing wearing it all weekend. I will be watching on NFL network on my new 70 inch TV and my wife will not be participating this year, for reasons she will not openly divulge. I threw together this little ensemble:

I honestly think the only drama for Panther fans is "what are they going to do at pick #39?" I appreciate the post and the thoughts. It is an interesting take.

I don't know how these new fields are, but when we played in college on an artificial surface (we practiced on our turf as well) it would rain and then freeze. The water would soak through the turf and into the padding beneath the turf, between the surface of the field and the concrete at the foundation. That padding would then freeze. It was like playing on cement that would rug burn you. It's ok--I turned out just fine.

But what about their common sense?

Upscale styrofoam plates. There is a difference. And they don't skimp on the plastic cutlery either--no sporks at this place.

Note how your first statement is simply not true. You start with a ridiculous misunderstanding of the argument by exaggerating and fabricating a complex issue so that you can understand it enough to argue against it. Facts and truth are technicalities that seem to get in your way. So we are to ignore the evidence, research, and testimonials from doctors who work with athletes every day and listen to your dizzying intellect? Gotcha.

I would too--but you had to say, "I would assume..." and in that statement lies the potential for calculated error. Does the evidence support our feelings about Bryce getting hit by a 300 lb linemen, making him more prone to injury than if it were Cam Newton back there? I am rather surprised by what I am finding--as a researcher, I have learned to go with the evidence and let it take you against the current of "common sense" and assumption. I have been proven wrong by research so many times it is laughable. People are now (kindly) attacking the messenger in my case, as I try to show them what the research says--they refuse to go there because they don't believe it. It makes no sense to them--or me, but I have learned to trust data and not your eyes or brain--two inconsistent organs.

He said that his playing style minimizes his risk for injury. Do you agree with that statement?

The article makes distinctions about positions, and QB and RB are not really comparable. A RB has a much shorter shelf life than a QB. Running QBs do not last as long as pocket passers. So there is a difference. I have stated that style of play and protection play roles more than size. I got mad when RR used to run CMC up the middle because I understand the physics. I have even stated that if you draft AR you will get him for 8 years where if you take Young or Stroud you get a QB for 15 or more. If Young starts running off tackle, size will become an issue for many reasons. I was furious with RR for the way he used Cam and CMC--they were both put in position to be injured, and they were. I worry about his size, don't get me wrong. But then I think , "Is that my bias? Is size the most important predictor of injury at the QB level?" It makes you think

You have a good point--playing style (those guys getting hit more than Young) is probably more of a factor than size--which is the point made by the OP. The Bama Dr. is simply implying that Bryce's game minimizes the risk for injury because he processes quickly, is evasive, and throws it quickly. I can tell you this--if we take Young, we are going to have one of the best OLs in football.

And it is for me as well, but I am not sure my concern is substantiated by research. I doubt Reich would argue with team doctors who deal with this every day. It is a visual that people accept as fact when there is not any research to support it (that I know of, at least). It is an interesting debate, but I have yet to see the facts to support the position that a smaller QB is injured more easily. QBs get injured--and their playing style and protection has more to do with it than the bigness of their torsos.

This article determines that smaller people (in terms of weight) are less prone to injury than larger players--here is part of the conclusion: "Fielding a team of 195-pound offensive linemen is probably unwise, but focusing on players at the lower end of the weight range for their positions may offer teams some modest advantages when it comes to injury prevention. All else equal, if a team has a choice between a 180-pound defensive back and a 210-pounder, they may want to go for the lighter guy." https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/weight-and-injuries

Did you know that AR, Levis, and Stroud also had shoulder injuries in college? It is common for QBs.

Did he provide the reason? Injury or vision? I get it, but we are all mesmerized by the myth that smaller players are more susceptible to injury in the NFL than larger people. I cannot find anywhere that has been proven or even stated by medical experts. Reich's statements prove his bias more than fact.

This from the Raven's team Doctor: WHAT MAKES AN ATHLETE PRONE TO INJURY? Most people believe that getting bigger, faster, and stronger is the key formula for improving athletic performance and preventing injury. However, while these traits are certainly important, that statement is not necessarily true. Leaders in the sports medicine field claim that athletes who frequently get injured, or perform poorly, typically have three weaknesses in common: Muscle Imbalances Core Stability Deficits Poor Neuromuscular Control (I did not see size as a factor here related to injury--it states that being "bigger" is not necessarily true as a deterrent to injury---in fact, there is no evidence that Young has these characteristics) Conditioning programs limited to strength training and developing bigger muscles do very little to address and/or correct these impairments. Therefore, they do little to help keep an athlete healthy and on the field. https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/12/9128337/the-injury-bug-why-some-athletes-are-more-prone-to-getting-hurt So you all are right to question the medical opinions of doctors who deal with athletes and injury every day. What was I thinking?

You mean by saying something that would discredit him professionally and make a fool out of himself in the medical community? Yeah, lying about Young would be so worth it.

Very heartwarming. Wish that kid has as much enthusiasm and confidence as this one.

Here you argue against analytics due to the lack of a sample size that is large enough to suit you, but you actually say, "it's just common sense" in your answer without providing any evidence to counter the small sample size. Then you go about calling people who are using this data "ignorant" and their position to be "asinine". How large is the sample size you are using to counter these conclusions? You even try to qualify a point by saying, "As I said..." I research for a living. Your points are reasons to want to see more data, a larger sample size, for example, but they disprove NOTHING. The only evidence on the table supports the position opposite your "common sense." Other articles I have read suggest that smaller players are only injured more because they twist and turn more due to their agility, not contact with larger forces. Tell me an injury that is not joint related that is caused by the size of the person hitting you? Maybe a broken rib? Concussion? These injuries are not due to the size of the person being hit. In fact, larger athletes put more stress and strain on their joints and ligaments than smaller players, which is probably why smaller players are actually hurt less. Your entire argument is based (without data or facts) on the presumption that larger players get hurt less than smaller players. There is no data to support that assumption, but you call it common sense. Your data is based on QBs only--but if you expand the group to all small NFL players by including other positions, you will see that there are studies that demonstrate how injury is due to the mobility and elusiveness the position requires, not size. These players wear helmets, pads, etc. and there is rarely an injury caused by contact to a small person that would not have been equally damaging to a larger person.

As you can see from this photo taken at my last physical, I am more than qualified to modify my answer if the only prerequisite is "having a pair." In fact, I think I may have been the inspiration for a South Park episode, but I digress. Now that I have provided my qualifications, I would like to offer a revised opinion: 1. Young 39. Trade back: DJ Turner, CB, Michigan (reason? As much as I want an edge here, Jackson may not be slightly above average after the Achilles injury. Henderson and Taylor have been toasted a lot. Horn is solid, and needs to be on the #1 WR, not playing nickel. Turner makes us better immediately-he starts off by playing the nickel and next season, when Jax moves on, becomes the #2 CB.) 93. Matt Bergeron, OT, Syracuse (Reason? Bergeron can play swing T and allow for Mays and Christensen and McCray to compete for the LG position. Bergeron would be an ideal replacement for Moton when he becomes too expensive to keep in a year or two. The OL needs depth, and I feel that we will address the OL in this draft after drafting a small QB.) 114. Nick Hampton, OLB/Edge, Tweetsie U (Reason? Hampton is a special pass rusher--just kinda sucks vs. the run. We need a pass rushing edge on passing downs opposite Burns. Imagine moving Brown to NT and YGM (for example) to DE?) 145. Luke Schoonmaker, TE, Michigan (reason? Solid #2 TE that fills a need) 168. (For trade from 39 to about 45 in round 2): Anthony Bradford, G/T, LSU. (Reason? We need depth on the OL and he can play 4 positions. By trade, a RG to give depth behind Corbett and perhaps his future replacement.)

To the doctor's critics: Would you prefer a doctor less familiar with Young's playing style to provide an opinion? If so, would that not be a less informed opinion? You imply the presence of bias in your biased comments as if it discredits all he says. Think about that level of hypocrisy.

This is where people who have watched him play less and people without medical degrees resort to their "common sense" to argue against his points. Before you go there: "Dr. Cain's research interest involves the evaluation and prevention of injuries in youth sports, as well as the treatment of adult injuries in the shoulder, elbow and knee, including cartilage and meniscal transplantation....Dr. Cain has presented papers and instructional courses for the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine and The International Society for Arthroscopy and Knee Surgery on the evaluation, diagnosis and treatment of knee, shoulder and elbow injuries." Quarterbacks' #1 area for injuries is the shoulder by far. This supports the research about smaller players getting hurt LESS than larger players (posted a few weeks ago). But go ahead, challenge the good doctor with your "common sense." Yes, injuries happen (eventually) to all football players, but there is reason to suggest that Young is no more vulnerable than any other player.

I think Castillas (sp?) the guy with the Ed Helms userpic, is going with his wife. Lucky to have a wife like that.