MHS831

10 million for a below average to average center. However, you do not want 2 rookies playing side by side in the NFL on the OL, so you are probably right. I am looking rookie LT, vet LG, Paradis, Rookie RG, Moton (hopefully).

Here is a perspective: Let's say you make a deal for Watson that includes a player. You can then offer them the following deal (hypothetically): Shaq Thompson, 2021 2nd rounder, 2022 1st rounder, 2023 first rounder. That sounds like a lot. I can hear you all saying, "Hell no." Now, what we did was save our #8 pick this year and cut a big contract (needed to sign Watson). We would then trade out of #8 for a first rounder in 2022 and a second rounder in 2021. So by trading out, we recoup the 2022 first rounder and the 2021 second rounder. So now what have we actually lost to obtain Watson? 1. Shaq and his big contract. 2. A 2023 first rounder. Now is that such a bad deal, if we can do it? If Lance is there, I am certain a team would give us a first next year and a second rounder (or late first rounder) this year. Hypothetical, but the point is, a trade before the draft gives you options to recoup losses by trading back during the draft.

Love this---awesome perspective. I was just posting on another thread about the OLiNE and some dork (nctarheelsomething) criticized me and told me, "Our line was OK--we do not need to build the OL--maybe a free agent G or C" At that time, my dumbass alert senses were throbbing, so I blocked him to avoid future dumbassery. Paradis making $10m is funny---and he might just make it because there are so many other needs. I see us drafting 3 OL, signing a free agent, and locking up Moton---maybe, depending on what we do in free agency at QB. Thanks for this--good perspective.

I am dispelling the myth that chemo makes you smarter.

I hear we are in the top 30 teams he prefers.

Damn. If only our coach were Named Sherlock.

I had another thought to share, so I returned. Let's say Watson costs 3 first rounders. Is that worth it? If you think he is the QB for the next decade, yes. Look at the Jets--lotta first round busts that take 3 years to bust. Watson is proven---and if he pans out, which I think he would, you can make moves in rounds 2-7 to add a player or 2. I am not a fan of trading #1s, but this is an opportunity you rarely get---no rebuild--we would enter WIN NOW mode and still have youth. I am changing my mind.

Watson gives you 10 more years at QB, Stafford gives you 3-5 tops. If Watson costs an extra draft first rounder now, in the long run, probably worth it.

I am a two-time survivor. Would not wish it on anyone.

Stop it. You are not qualified to judge anyone. Who you got at LT, Mr, Just fine? RT? RG? The OL was in the bottom half of the NFL and nearly all of them are free agents (except overpaid Paradis)--so what in the hell are you talking about? if you think surrounding a franchise QB with a line that "wasn't that bad" and is not returning is something you can live with, then go live with it, but do not try to convince me that you know what you are talking about--you do not. Seriously, are you a troll or something?

You are not worried about the offensive line. That alone disqualifies the rest of your posts. Just going to block you because I prefer intelligent discourse.

Or if they draft a QB at #2. I said earlier, Tua makes Moton the blind side protector. A win win, if you ask me. The circumstances, (surgery, covid, preseason--I would not give up on him, but if they do, yes.

So you give someone poo for having a different opinion? Pretty fugging arrogant. I never said he would not help--but do you want another elite QB getting pounded because there is no LT, LG, or decent C? Do you want to go another season without a MLB? Watson does not tackle people or get the D off the field on third down--

Big Market? Coach?

Watson is going to cost too much, and as much as I would love to see it, we don't have the pieces yet. You can have Charles Linbergh flying your plane, but if the plane is full of second-hand equipment and faulty parts, the flight will be problematic. We heed to build the plane and find the right pilot. I think we can do it in 2021, but not if you go all in on one player. Houston II.

Right--he was basically a second-rounder last year, and he did not get any PT this year, so you are actually losing a year on a cheap deal.

I think you go back to Rhule's comments: 1. Need a player who can play with "urgency". What does that mean? Remember how lackadaisical Teddy seemed late in games? Remember how many of those games we lost? It could mean a QB who does not get the urgency of the situation--checking down and not going for the win with little time left. It could mean game management. Rhule is a motivator, and a lackadaisical QB with the game on the line is not leadership. 2. There are a lot of good QBs that go to "bad organizations" and do not have support. Are we looking at a QB struggling in a "bad organization?" Darnold? Tua? This will be the "offseason of the offense". I expect a TE, OT, QB, G, and maybe a WR in free agency and the draft. A LB and some DL help--maybe a CB on D--that is it. Personally, if Miami takes a QB, I go after Tua. I think he would fit in the right system. Moton then becomes the blind side protector, putting less importance on LT.

No, but if we are going shopping for high-dollar free agents, we have to cut some cap.

Rodgers in the past 2 weeks or so: Loses the NFC game because he can't make a play in the red zone on 3 downs--blames his coach for not going for it on fourth--in the media. Hints to reporters that he may not be in Green Bay next year--using vague, "try to figure me out" ambiguous, intentionally-misleading, attention-getting language. Now wants the team to commit to him and rid themselves of the backup (probably because he knows that backup is him 12 years ago--sitting behind Favre.)

Remember Deems Maye? He was playing with the Chargers and was injured when they were in the Super Bowl in Miami. I spoke to him in the spring following that game on the golf course at Uwharrie Point. He went to the game, and was partying at Marino's house--he said he had never met him and was a bit in awe of him--then he said he'd never been around a person with a stronger case of narcissism and entitlement.

The best thing to do is sit tight and see what falls to us. Then have a plan. However, if you could get a Watson for CMC and Shaq and maybe a second rounder, you make that trade and trade #8 back for more picks in the 18-40 range.

Yes, he has a rep for being a dick--even in his own family--but he gets Green Bay to the playoffs. Reminds me of the Marino swagger--I hated that guy.

I do too--they seem to have the Tepper breath on their necks a bit, and he is aggressive. I do not seem them ending the draft with, "Well, we got some good role players, Mr. Tepper." Rhule also quoted someone (was it Vince Lombardi? Can't remember) by saying (and I paraphrase) "In no other sport is success so dependent upon one person as the QB in football" Then if you throw in other quotes--about "bad organizations" and not surrounding the QB with talent--you can almost smell the strategy--but it may be us hearing what we want to hear- Some possible interpretations: 1. We are going to draft QB early and address the OL--the obvious interpretation, and probably the correct one----however.... 2. We are going to build the OL and WRs corps and we are going to redeem one of those discarded QBs from a "bad organization" (Darnold, for example). Think about that case: Rhule won at Temple and Baylor with players that were overlooked or discarded. Maybe he thinks he can take a QB like Darnold or Tua in a cheap trade if the Jets and/or Dolphins take a QB in round 1--maybe for a player like Shaq Thompson and a fourth rounder, for example--then trade back in this year of the QB frenzy, surrounding Darnold or Tua with some OL in a very deep OL draft class--and maybe a TE. I don't think Rhule is that transparent, but he could be bracing us for his strategy--he still has Bridgewater for a year, and he could trade back, pick up a first rounder for 2022, and that would get him the assets he needs to move up should Darnold or Tua not step up. Then in 2022, you bundle the #1 picks while everyone else is test driving their new QBs, you move up and take a top QB; you can assume that we will be bad if Darnold/Tua or Bridgewater does not improve the position, so two #1 picks should get you where you want to be. After Lawrence, if there are no QBs they like...this could be the plan. 3. Rhule seemed to mention Mac Jones a lot--there seems to be a man crush there are bit. As if he is selling the idea--"his turf burn from 2 weeks ago (NCAA title game winner--"makes plays in crucial situations"). First on the field and in the meeting room, smart, makes all the throws---was this his sales pitch to the fans? At least he seems to have that option open.

Yes but it is really a 2 year deal-third year not guaranteed