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I do not think you can trade draft picks alone for a veteran QB---salary cap. We need to send a player to swap contracts a bit---I say Shaq Thompson has to be on the block. He is not worth $14m--- I would offer Shaq + his salary, a second rounder, and a second rounder in 2022. Then I would move back with the #8 picks for more picks--grab a T and a LB.

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No, I wrote off Trevor Lawrence when I saw the Jags and Jets' rosters. I really cannot decide if I like any of the next 3 QBs in relation to what it will take to get them. Imagine this: Would you give up Burns, Chinn, and Brown for Wilson? That is what 2 #1s and a #2 looks like. We do not think of it that way. It is why you need to build the team first. If you lose the picks, you do not build the team for 2 years, and when the QB wants $35m, you have major needs. I do not think we move up for a QB for this reason. We are long term, whatever that means. But if I am doing it, I know this--I have Bridgewater and I can make him better if I add a LT, G, TE, and defense. I know I have PJ, and I know that I can trade back, add picks, and maybe find the gem of the draft (Russell Wilson, eg) to groom for a season. Is that why we are pumped about the SR Bowl? will that give us an advantage looking at the seniors who may not be day 1 picks? Would it be smarter to trade back and take a LT in round 1, then take Jones or Trask and HOPE Brady will develop him like he did Burrow? Is the difference between Jones and Lance worth a Burns and a Chinn? This will be the most interesting draft I have witnessed. I know that I will be pissed and then warm to the logic---that is what I do.

The thing about the Washington game that bothers me is that it was Rivera causing us to win yet another meaningless game after we are eliminated. He is like Hurney--we just can't seem to get rid of them.

We whooped that WFT!

Even if he is retiring, you do not steal the headlines from the Bucs and Brady's accomplishment. You wait a day or two. It is self-centered assholism.

Good thread--topic with 2 clear sides to debate.

The good news? We can upgrade 3 positions and dramatically improve the offense--- 1. QB 2. TE 3. LT Get CMC back and healthy, add a G in free agency--and the offense is tremendously better.

Not much help this year--his contract was front loaded--next year, he can be cut. By the way, Stafford wanted out of Detroit.

Folks, Stafford is a starting NFL QB who would be worth a first rounder--heck, we are going to use the first rounder on a QB if we do not get him. We know we can get 3 or 4 years out of Stafford; based on the fact that he has not been hit as much. Get Stafford, draft a LT and a TE, and sign a G in free agency--I think that could be instant success. Stafford/Bridgewater/PJ is a good group. Draft a QB in 2022 or 2023. Worth a first rounder.

I do.

There will be suitors for Stafford---not sure we want to get into a bidding war. And I hate to be so negative about someone trying to do his job, but Person seems to speculate a lot. Not someone I see with a lot of inside knowledge, and I have shared (before) how he was viewed at the Observer. While I think this should be a thread because it is out there, I question the source.

THEORY: The NFL was still adjusting to the changes in the college game. Their offenses were not ready for the new QBs college was producing.

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: If we sign Stafford, trade back for a few picks, address OT, CB, LB, TE---and we get CMC back, and we sign a G-- And Brees has retired, Brady and Ryan not far behind...I would think this could be a situation a vet QB might like. I think we can compete for a playoff spot in 2021.

I am guessing this week's news has changed the Detroit projection.

The Panthers will know the "second tier" QBs after the Senior Bowl. I have to think they will be doing some bottom fishing this week. Brady will be whispering and Rhule will be preaching. They might say, "trade back and take Trask", for example. We have Bridgewater and he should improve with better OL play and maybe a TE and CMC back. So there is a fall back plan--then if Trask (example) does not show much promise, you have extra picks and some cap room in 2022 to meet needs in free agency and package a deal to move up in 2022. Not what I want to happen, but it may be better than diving into the feeding frenzy and taking the 4th best QB in the top 10.

I am on the same page, but trades scare me. #2 NY Jets--How many teams need a QB? If the Jets get Watson, what do they do with the #2 pick? Trade it. They don't really need a LT, and Sewell (arguably) is the only non QB worth it. I think they trade out. Who moves into the #2 spot? I do not think there is a QB worth the #2 pick with Trevor off the board. #3 Miami--they could trade out too. I do not see a QB here, but I see WR Chase LSU, T Sewell, Ore, maybe Parsons MLB if Miami stays. #4 Atlanta--Total wild card, but if I am the GM, I look at needs--DEFENSE, WR, OL---Salary cap. So if I think I have a year or two left in Ryan, I am going to possibly trade back and meet some needs on defense and OL, and then take a developmental QB later. I just do not see #5 Cincinnati--Here, if Sewell drops, this is a no brainer. However, I also think they could take WR Chase LSU here. Of course, trading back is an option. #6 Philadelphia-- I am not certain that the new coach wants a new QB, and Wentz could/should get a look in a new system. I am guessing that the Eagles could also be a trade back candidate, especially if 3 QBs are gone, but assuming that is not the case, a WR in Philly is sorely needed if you want Wentz to get better. #7 Detroit---Of course they are drafting a QB. If the Lions fall in love with a QB early in the draft, they could move up. If the Panthers want a QB, they probably need to leapfrog the Lions to get their man. There is no way the Lions do not take a QB in the draft-- So my take on this, even though nobody asked? Round 1--picks 2-7 are going to be WIDE OPEN. I see a scenario where all 4 QBs go in the top 5 or 6 picks. I do not see too many scenarios where there will be 2 of the top 4 QBs at #8. We stuck it to those WFTs! Prognosis: Too unclear to project. Key factor?: The Senior Bowl. What if we fall in love with Trask? (example).

Here is the key stat for QB-starved teams: (all #s according to Spotrac) SALARY CAP PROJECTIONS #2 overall: Colts, with about $68m #3 overall: Jets, with about $65m #4 overall: New England with about $55m #9 overall: Washington with about $32m So the Jets have $65m and the #2 overall pick. They get anyone they want after Lawrence. The Colts, Patriots, WFT all need QBs. They know they are not getting a top 4 QB, so expect them to go after Watson and Stafford. The 49ers and Dolphins also have more cap space than Carolina. I look at the CMC and Thompson contracts as the reason we are in this shape; so we get a slightly-above average LB and a RB instead of a QB. So why was Marty fired again?

In my opinion, I do not see them bringing in another big contract. With Teddy, a rookie deal is manageable. So if we were to take in Stafford, a move I think makes us an instant contender, we would have to renegotiate some contracts--mainly Stafford's.

I would trade them a bad contract--like Shaq--but I do not think he gets released--Indy, Washington, New England--they all need a QB---but who knows?

Trade Thompson to Detroit--they need help on D.

I think we will trade up---teams at the back of the draft that need QB will go after Stafford and give up a lot. Why do I sense Indy making a deal with Detroit? Or New England? Washington?

The culture we built for whooping a nameless team with a bust QB in a meaningless game.

What round were the bottom 4 drafted in? I can't recall.

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