raleigh-panther

Baker is hurt todd has a backup. Use him

To this day, i have no idea why any nfl scout thought having Young on the roster wad a good idea too guy had all day and open top level receivers to throw to at Bama yet, here we are..probably for 2 more years with this kid

I hope this is true Young would thrive with the current 49ers, great all round team, and Shanahan makes QBs better, even Alabama reclamation projects he needs a finished product and the Panthers ain’t that it is so hard to see Maye, Stroud, Williams and the rest, even the NO qb, and watch what the panthers trot out there every Sunday

I wish this team had chosen moore as HC he found his qb and coached him up aging defense, shipped out play makers and future bright fir them Imho moore greater than canales and shough ions greater than young

The receivers got little separation, the receivers also ran wrong routes in the same area at least once and of course xL being his usual self. the oline was not top notch, in either run or pass pro the defense had moments their stats ion 3rd down, really bad and stupid penalties The defense had 4 chances at turnovers and missed them all the offensive game plan and its execution was as flawed as always and did not work the middle of the field and per Jonathan Stewart, that is how to attack that seattle defense . add it all up, they weren't winning that game particularly with Bryce as the leader of that orchestra offensively the problem is it has to be perfect for Young and he has to have short fields That is mot going to happen consistently I dont know what the future holds for this team but i just do not see the play calling and execution from that offense with the canales idzik young marriage being productive against better coaches and teams a whole lot of draft choices and money spent on the offensive side of the ball It is not working out and had Dowdle not been super man in games 5 and 6, no chance on this season I hope they win sunday and make the playoffs it is good thing for many reasons it will also be a spotlight…either young can play in big moments or he cant, same for Canales and the rest of the players

With Canales, against better coaches, there are never any answers…his best offense is when the other team self implodes he had zero answers for Seattle….zero…and he basically gave up…not the first time either Young, after year 3, it isn’t enough. Look at the other 2 to 4 years or less QBs in the nfl…young could be the worst, easily last Sunday showed a great deal,about the offensive coaching staff and it isn’t pretty i get he is ‘rebuilding’. I get he has Young, does he get a pass for abysmal game plans. Canales talks He talks a good game Platitudes Good at those He needs to ‘do’ his offense is trash does anyone know what the QBs coach or Idzik do during games…I see young sitting by himself with an IPAD Not a good look

J stew: ‘everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth’ quoting Mike Tyson So, Seattle does the unexpected…what is the offense doing to reclaim the middle of the field..that is where games are won and lost Thomas cracked on players and coaching to understand situational football one example, stop running laterally….two quick examples Throws to flat, getting there late and instead of running forwards, the rbs are running laterally then turning up field….dissected young doing the same thing that takes time off the clock and loses,yardage…coaches need to coach this…Thomas also cracked on poor open field tackling encourage you all to listen Too many good points to summarize gotta say, after that game, I have little faith in Canales as an OC and Young…they had zero answers…zero Not the first time either. Large part of me wishes they had hired Kellen Moore More on his resume than being friends with Pete Carroll He also,was able to take a what, late 1 rd qb, who is quite good and a baller Slough isn’t timid, has an arm and is prototypical

XL shot his last chance with that stupid offside’s penalty. He is lucky that Tet did catch that pass or he,would’ve been walking home I would start Moore,and sit XL and trade him next year that receiver room isn’t good enough

Morgan and Canales screwed the pooch when they took XL over Ladd Ladd was sitting there. Poor. Ver very poor

He gas gotten very ‘handsy’ lately with the face masks he missed a game or two with a concussion He had not seemed the same in return nothing would surprise me

I cannot, unsee that

I agree cowardly Absolutely cowardly. I lost a lot of respect for Canales on that move Run home as the bully steals your lunch money and cry to your Momma

Exactly right there are some defining moments in a coach’s career, and as innocuous as that one play seems, it is Canales in a nutshell ’IT IS ALL ABOUT THE FINISH. LEARNING TO FINISH. WE FINISH ON THIS TEAM. EVERY PLAY. EVERY GAME NO MATTER THE SCORE’. BParaphrased after he was questioned after the 49 to 10:@## whipping by Buffalo and how we handle Dalton big talk Dave.

I don’t know if it is Canales or it is Young or both as there is no consistency or identity on offense or sustained offensive execution week to week 54 yards passing is a failure, the run game was a failure…all of this after spending tons of resources on the draft and free agency on the offensive side of the ball. Tired of the young team and coach excuse. Lots of teams have young players and young QBs and they don’t look like this Point being, all the resources invested and the truth is, had Dowdle not been Superman at mid season, that win loss record would look much different Rico was Young’s and Canales’ crutch until,he wasn’t Maybe it is as simple as Young isn’t sustainable at this level and Canales needs a proven OC….not himself or his buddy idzik

That offense quits far too easily Not the first time…just the more obvious time I’ve never seen anything like the give up today in my life in a game that requires a ,never give up mentally, no matter what, they folded like a lawn chair…off to the locker room …not a victory formation but a white towel formation don’t what to hear any more ‘finish’ bullshit from Mr Rogers. He talks the talk

The sad thing is you know from the start with Young …and timid becomes more timid and that’s all she wrote I’d change up the receivers, replacing Legette with Moore. Do something different id also bring in Etienne for a change of pace moore, being a veteran can probably help with breakdowns and the improvisation those breakdowns happen There is no rhythm to what Canales calls either I mean, no slants….no 10 yards routes….i know they were in 2 high safety but that leaves the middle I feel like Canales and idzik constantly get out coached and or can’t adjust to certain looks

I have to wonder if David Moore would be a better option than Legette he also plays special teams, makes plays, avoids stupid mistakes and is decent Legette is good for a couple of drops or bone headed mistakes a game…can’t do that this time of year I mean, Jesus, the official tells you are offside and you don’t correct it….

Jtewart was in no way being an apologist I did my best to summarize a crib notes version of what j stew and the other podcaster were saying in a 38 min podcast his discussion of the defense was full of props for them but I pointed out the same as j stew did in the game thread, the panthers d missed a few critical open field tackles and frankly, they have for the past few years. We can have theories as to why but the fact remains they do …and Horn has had several critical and frankly bone headed mistakes of late, so much so, he is getting picked on it seems he in no way anointed Bryce or Canales I appreciate former players’ inputs as they see the field through a different lens than I do on the small screen…not at the stadium , so I don’t see the field

My best summary of Jonathan 1Seattle defense is the best in the league 2. Field possession game lost 3 defense has untimely missed tackles and penalties that allowed allowed Seattle offense to win field possession game, pointed to the long run after the Seattle illegal grounding as one example loss in field possession game. Gave them 16 yards unnecessarily And of course the offensive turnovers deep in their territory 4. Felt the defense could be special with a few more pieces Pointed out Nic Scourton for great effort Michael Jackson ‘played out of his mind ‘ And Cherulous played excellent and in played through pain 5. Panthers offense, slow to the line and lethargic 6. panthers receivers got no separation with Seattle playing 2 high On young’s interception, young thought corner was going to sit. 7 plays called allowed nothing but check downs against. The 2 high. Play calls and routes predictable on zone coverage 8 panthers offensive could have challenged mid zone more 9 panthers tried to run and couldn’t 10 Other commentator did not like the kneel down with 2 mins to go 11 believes in the defense now and future 12 little things, little mistakes talking about horn, ‘play with your feet, not your hands’ 13 maybe Sanders being hurt also hurt the offense with mismatches and all came out in 13 personnel, might have been relying on him

summary as best possible 1. Grand view 8 and 8 amazing to seE. Need to figure out what there identity is in the offseason A win next week puts them in the playoffs but show on road to Tampa Bay After the loss, the Panthers locker room, they understand what is at stake. Did not talk about young until the end except to say 54 yards total and a bad interception 2 reality Seattle the type of team Panthers would see first rd of playoffs. Missed opportunities and shows Carolina where they are in comparison to top team 3 no flow to panthers offense no idea what game plan was supposed to be Canales side of the ball No advantage on 2 turnovers No offensive flow to play calling or game plan Canales supposed to be offensive specialist Only Once in consecutive games did they score 20 points, games 5 and 6 2 defensive turnovers and only get 3 139 TOTAL YARDS 4 1 and 11 on 3rd down horrible 2 of 3 on 4th 5 chuba’s first fumble all year 6 10th game of win loss win loss 7 10th first down came on the only TD drive in the 4th qtr 8 what are the panthers good at, even this late in the season what is their identity not what Canales says, not what we see 139 total offense Seattle had 139 at the half 9 defense had 3rd and super long yardage, and Charbonnet missed tackle by Wonnum drive extends field goal Cherulous misses open field tackle resulting in TD No need for horn to grab the facemask Plus horn dropping a sure interception It is a theme in their losses everything is a grind 10 49ers game all over again

He made Andy Dalton FINISH down 49 to 10 correct

Dave Canales ’it is all about the finish’

All about the finish. Right dave

20 17 dolphins. 50 seconds left

I feel that way too