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Or Cam Erving Part 2

Thank you I apologize for being snippy I think we are all afraid of what Rhule might do with the most important position on the field as he has failed so badly previously. It’s a damned sad situation when a franchise has to depend on Ben McAdo for consultation

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Looked. Didn’t see one From the wording, it seemed to me it was post Watson but, being the link monitor gives some posters joy, it seems. So enjoy

Have to hope that the OC has some influence. He supposedly knows QBs pro days are coming up but as the saying goes ‘tape don’t lie’ if someone knows what they are looking at anyway we see Rhule’s interpretation of Darnold

Bottom line Tepper would not guarantee years 3 and 4 of Watson’s contract. Browns did Panthers wouldn’t give Deshaun Watson the contract he wanted. Let’s explore why not BY ELLIS L. WILLIAMS AND JONATHAN M. ALEXANDER [email protected] [email protected] 4 hours ago As negotiations for the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes came to the bitter end, his team called the Panthers with a request on Thursday. They asked Carolina if it could guarantee him money on the third and fourth year on his four-year, $156 million deal as part of what would’ve been a blockbuster trade agreement. Those years are not guaranteed as it’s structured now, and the team could move on without much penalty. Representatives for the Panthers declined the unprecedented proposal. Later that night, around 9:10 p.m., they called back. Watson informed the team that he would not waive his no-trade clause for them. It was the final straw in an all-out blitz the Panthers made for the 26-year-old quarterback this month. But in a stunning turn of events, Watson decided to waive his no-trade clause for the Cleveland Browns, who were earlier told they were no longer under consternation. Watson changed his mind when Cleveland agreed to give him a five-year, fully guaranteed $230 million contract, the highest guarantee in NFL history. While Watson was enamored by Carolina’s skill position players — Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore and Robby Anderson —he preferred the Saints and Falcons, a league source said, and for different reasons. Atlanta was a late addition to the sweepstakes. When they emerged, they became an ideal landing spot. Watson likes the idea of playing for Atlanta because its close to his hometown of Gainesville, Georgia, which is an hour away. As for New Orleans, the feeling was that the Saints nearly made the playoffs last season and featured a more Super Bowl-caliber roster. The Panthers did not. According to Football Outsiders DOVA metric, New Orleans’s defense finished second in efficiency last season. The Panthers ranked 15th. The Saints also feature the NFL’s seventh-best pass-blocking offensive line, according to ESPN’s pass-block win rate metric. Then why did Carolina back away from perhaps its strongest bargaining chip? No one will say. But the answer likely lies in why Watson and Texans were at this point in the first place, one year after he initially made his request to be traded. Watson is still facing 22 civil lawsuits from different massage therapists alleging sexual assault and sexual misconduct. The Panthers felt comfortable enough with his current contract after conducting their own research. The civil lawsuits could take a year or more to resolve, unless he were to settle them out of court. And the NFL is known for taking a while in its investigations. But guaranteeing him two more years before the NFL, which is conducting its own investigation and could suspend him, could be an enormous risk. Let alone the trouble they’d be in if another woman were to accuse him. Watson has asserted his innocence from the beginning. His attorney, Rusty Hardin, told The Observer in an interview that, “He’s a really, really neat human being. And he probably showed bad judgment, maybe by getting involved with all these women, but he didn’t do anything wrong.” It’s also reasonable to ask ‘if the Panthers were comfortable with the first two years, the why not the last two?’ Perhaps risk on his last two could be too great. Now Carolina will move on and search for another quarterback. They’ll spend the $5 million they saved on Robby Anderson’s restructured contract, as well as the other players they restructured, and spend it elsewhere, without the risk.

If they love him so much, they would win for him…have they ? I think Cam had a good statement about ‘many not buying in’ and not understanding the meaning of keep pounding Understand, he’s a guy that never says anything about anybody Rhule is in charge he failed, is failing and will continue to do so

Matt Rhule. The gift that keeps in giving hey Matt. You loved Darnold. Live with him

I think Rhule should have to live, and die Nfl career wise, with his poor decision

Sorry. I am driving it was on pantherscentre feed. They are usually correct

I just read panthers are eliminated

This just came up from bleacher report I know it’s Newton

Pro sports is about winning. It is not about being ‘satisfied’ with what how many winning seasons in soon to be 26 years

Any facts for that claim ? An owner does what he must to right a franchise. these names ring a bell Steve Wilks. George Seifert there are others the Nfl is a different world now the hole Rhule has put the Panthers in is well known and owner enabled it

@scratchedsorry the truth hurts your feelings

Under Tepper, the Panthers don’t win as long as he keeps Rhule, winning at an organizational level, is not going to happen

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Story of Watson meeting with Saints for a second time last night, if true, tells the tale again, why would any top level QB want to come play for Matt Rhule …and the poo show he has created here plus treatment if Bridgewater, Darnold, Newton and again Newton and Watson are friends what do you think he told him ? Tepper’s most prized and coveted free agent and all the money he has didn’t bring Watson here it’s not over until the press conference but it sure isn’t looking good for ole Dave

Dennis Allen greater than Matt Rhule….then again, who isn’t having a better coach could have helped as well Not surprising on NO…whole lot of his Kinda massage parlors there

Well, I just read that Watson asked to speak to the Falcons and that he contacted them to see if there was interest at this point, who knows I will say a franchise qb trumps a DE and Safety. The three first round picks wow nothing we can do in any case

DT DaQuan Jones Signs with New Team The former Panther is headed north. SCHUYLER CALLIHAN 9 MINUTES AGO Veteran defensive tackle DaQuan Jones and the Buffalo Bills have agreed to terms on a deal with the Buffalo Bills, according to Dianna Russini of ESPN. Jones played okay this past season for the Panthers, but his departure was expected. Carolina thought that bringing in the veteran on a one-year deal would help out Derrick Brown in his development, but Jones had issues of his own in gap discipline/control. He graded out as a 66.4 on Pro Football Focus which isn't terrible in the grand scheme of things but his inconsistency led to the Panthers letting him walk in free agency. The one that does work in his favor is durability. Jones has not missed a single game in four seasons. Jones will compete for a starting spot with the Bills after Harrison Phillips reportedly agreed to a deal with the Minnesota Vikings.

From the Observer Panthers or Saints? What each team has to offer Deshaun Watson as a trade destination BY ELLIS L. WILLIAMS [email protected] 4 hours ago Things are heating up in the Panthers’ pursuit of quarterback Deshaun Watson, but a familiar division rival is not making landing him any easier for Carolina. The Panthers and New Orleans Saints plan to meet with Watson this week, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. It will take at least three first-round picks, multiple middle-round selections and maybe a young player to land Watson. It’s believed Watson is in outstanding shape and ready to re-establish himself as a top-10 quarterback. Watson has not played in a game since the final week of the 2020 regular season. He led the league in passing yards that year. Both teams are positioned to meet the Texans’ asking price. Watson is expected to meet with Carolina, New Orleans, and other teams before deciding to waive his no-trade clause. He’s looking for a winning situation with quality coaching, organizational alignment, a strong offensive line and a winning defense. Here is a breakdown of what teams interested in Watson have to offer him. Carolina Panthers Head coach and front office alignment: Coach Matt Rhule enters Year 3 on the hot seat. His 10-23 record over the past two seasons was identical to former Giants coach Joe Judge. There is reason to be concerned about how Watson perceives Carolina. Panthers owner David Tepper has not held a press conference since December 2020. His 15 months of silence have let doubt spread wildly about Rhule. A former league executive who spoke to The Observer suggested Carolina could offer Rhule a contract extension to show Watson that the Panthers are a stable organization with top-to-bottom alignment, from ownership to management and head coach. Rhule aside, the Panthers’ front office has come together nicely since Tepper named Scott Fitterer general manager last January. Fitterer is determined to keep offensive weapons DJ Moore and Christian McCaffrey around for Watson. The Panthers are also confident receiver Robby Anderson will have a bounce-back year under new offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo. The team remains high on their 2021 second-round pick, wide receiver Terrace Marshall Jr. Offensive line protection: Carolina is determined to fix its offensive line. As currently constructed, Watson would be in dangerplaying behind the 29th-ranked offensive line last season. The Panthers could add a blue-chip tackle with the No. 6 pick in the upcoming draft but that selection would likely head to Houston in a Watson trade. Carolina must prove to Watson it has a realistic plan to protect him. Without a first-round pick or much cap space, that will be difficult. Defensive playmakers: The Panthers feature several bright young defensive players but it’s expected that at least one of them would be a part of a Watson trade. Houston is seeking either one or a combination of Jeremy Chinn, Derrick Brown, Jaycee Horn or Brian Burns. New Orleans Saints Head coach and front office alignment: The Saints had Sean Payton retire but much of their infrastructure — including head coach Dennis Allen, offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and general manager Mickey Loomis remain. Loomis and the Saints front office have found talent outside the first round, highlighted by Pro Bowlers Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. Pairing Watson with those two playmakers would instantly make the Saints’ offense one of the NFC’s best. Offensive line protection: For years, the Saints put a quality offensive in front of Hall of Fame quarterback Drew Brees, and that did not change after he retired. Last season, New Orleans finished seventh in ESPN’s pass-block win-rate metric. But New Orleans’ offensive line will look different next season. The Saints are expected to lose Pro Bowl left tackle Terron Armstead in free agency. Then the Texans will likely want one of the team’s young offensive linemen in a Watson trade. Offensive tackle Ryan Ramczyk and guard Cesar Ruiz are both quality starters on rookie deals that Houston could target. Defensive playmakers: New Orleans consistently has a top 10 defensive unit built around defensive coordinator Dennis Allen’s aggressive and attacking scheme. With Allen taking over head coaching duties, the team promoted assistant coaches Ryan Nielsen and Kris Richard to co-defensive coordinator. Nielsen and Richard will continue to oversee the Saints’ defensive line and secondary units, respectively, which will help New Orleans keep its continuity intact. Cam Jordan, Marcus Davenport and Marshon Lattimore anchor a defense that would help Deshaun Watson not have to consistently win shootouts. With fewer turnovers and better quarterback play, the Saints probably would’ve made the playoffs last year. New Orleans checks all the boxes that Watson is looking for. Cleveland Browns Head coach and front office alignment: The Cleveland Browns are also a team to watch. It’s believed Houston would prefer to trade Watson out of the AFC but the Browns can offer a multitude of picks and quarterback Baker Mayfield, who is viewed as a better asset than Sam Darnold. Cleveland also agreed to a trade for Cowboys’ No. 1 receiver Amari Cooper, strengthening their case that they are only a quarterback away from a championship. Kevin Stefanski won the 2020 NFL coach of the year and Andrew Berry is the youngest general manager in the league. After years of dysfunction, the Browns are finally one of the best-run teams in the NFL. They are eager to improve their quarterback situation and have ownership’s blessing to do so aggressively. Offensive line protection: Led by All-Pro guard Joel Bitino, the Browns have one of the best offensive lines in football. Cleveland finished in Football Outsiders’ DVOA rushing metric. Combined with Pro Bowl running back Nick Chubb, Watson would be protected and supported by the Browns’ offensive line and rushing attack. Defensive playmakers: According to Football Outsiders, Cleveland’s defensive ranked 11th in DVOA. (DVOA measures a team’s efficiency by comparing success on every single play to a league average based on situation and opponent.) Defensive end Myles Garrett is among the best in the league while the Browns have invested in their secondary with cornerbacks Denzel Ward, Greg Newsome and safety John Johnson III. Much like New Orleans, turnovers put the Browns’ defense in poor positions last season. Mayfield threw 13 interceptions and fumbled six times in 2021.