Newtcase

Cherry picking one statistic to support your argument without context isn't good faith debate. For example, I could cherry pick bad throw %, of which Bryce was the worst in the league by a mile at 21.5%. But that would lack the context of pressure, wr quality, play calling, quality of opponent and many other context pieces that may help explain why he threw so many poor passes. Cherry picking interception percentage ignores how lucky he may have been with dropped interceptions, which was quite lucky by the way. It was almost extraordinary how many interceptions he threw that were between the numbers and dropped. It also ignores weather, injuries, quality of opponent, hell maybe the receiver fell or didn't fall for another guy. The point being a single stat in a vacuum does nothing but make your argument look feeble. Look I get it, you like Bryce or at least you're a glass half full guy. Anyone else with a shred of doubt is a hater or cynic, always dismissing the possibility that we're just Panthers fans commenting on what we've observed. I would be thrilled for Bryce to blow up and make us relevant this year. I wouldn't give one single shitz about the crowd in here that would rush to tell me how wrong I was. I'm capable of observing what's happened and judging just that. I want to see quality football. I linger on this board all day because I'm obsessed with the Panthers not because I'm obsessed with shitting on Bryce.

What's the threshold for the amount reps that you think would make a difference? Whatever number you come up with is how many he should get IMO. Bryce was terrible last season, he should be out there earning his keep just like anyone else on the team who is being dismissed as a bum or camp fodder.

I think you are spot on. I don't even know where this QB whisperer garbage came from. Baker statistically was on par with his early Cleveland production last year and only threw for 147 yards in 9-0 win against us with the division and playoffs on the line. Not making a statement on Canales other than I don't think his resume is head coach quality. Doesn't mean he won't be, to me it just means it's yet another gamble.

We'd have to accidentally get trapped into a situation like this. Canales has already told us there is no QB competition in Carolina. Imagine not having to compete for the job of "NFL QB", it's really insane if you think about it.

Who brought their kid to work?

Jordan in the last dance....whew...they won titles though!

Our defense looking strong. Our defense is practicing against our offense. Our offense is running gassers.

I think Canales is here on a BY9 mandate. Saying there is no QB competition seems out of place for a first year head coach given how bad the team was last year. Dan and Dave have both said on every occasion they want competition up and down the roster. I can't think of any reason he would handcuff himself to Bryce unless he agreed to it for the job.

The Bucs beat us twice last year by a combined 12 points including one of the ugliest games of the year, the 9-0 finale where Baker threw for 137 yards with the division crown and playoffs on the line. Canales is a huge question mark as well.

We’re now debating how good a throw an incompletion was. The bar is lowwwww.

Just a bigger Bryce without the sunk cost.

That'd be a half decent opening drive.

Actual future photo of Dave Canales sent from week 5.

By no means am I arguing that it's all Bryce, but I would argue that he made us WORSE by a wide margin. Comparatively, I think most would agree that the Jets expectations fell off a cliff when Rodgers was replaced by Wilson after one series. The betting odds certainly did. Competent QB play changes everything. Believe it or not, I'm not rooting for the kid to fail. I'd be thrilled to be wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time. My opinions are based off what has happened, not what might happen. I'm always open to include new information and shift my opinion as appropriate. I don't have to fit in neat predefined boxes built by insecure huddlers that demand loyalty in the face of disaster.

What you see as cause I see as effect. Soon it will be undeniable to all.

I want to address this metric as well. Things like pressures, hits and sacks are cold hard facts. No nuisance at all. But WR separation charts....hmmm...tell me more. I have questions. Is the amount of separation measured for each pass at the moment the ball arrives to intended receiver? If it is how do we know the pass didn't affect the seperation? I.E. thowing someone open vs a receiver needing to slow down for an underthrown pass, thus allowing a defender to catch up? We certainly saw plenty of this and it's certainly a demarcation point for good vs bad QBs. Maybe the amount of separation is for every receiver on every play. If it is at what point is it measured? How does the statistic recorder know where the route is supposed to create separation? Does it account for other receivers that may have been wide open or just the one the pass went to? Please explain to me these from your chart.

Dude, you're clowning right? Otherwise you have no idea what a strawman actually is. Let me spell it out for you. Did Mahommes perform well under pressure? Yes or No (Support with direct evidence) Did Goff perform well under pressure? Yes or No (Support with direct evidence) Did Bryce perform well under pressure? Yes or No (Support with direct evidence) Answers....Yes, Yes, No. Once you start arguing outside of the evidence you are presenting a strawman argument. Now if you want to present a new argument about comparing experience or WR separation by all means make that argument. But this argument is simply that two QBs performed much better under similar pressure.

Our weapons looked great against Green Bay and everyone ran around saying how great Bryce played. They played pretty damn decent against Seattle as well. You could consider the possibility that we're not as bad as Bryce made them look as they looked a helluva lot better on his best day didn't they? Pointing out higher success against higher pressure rates is a direct argument against "No one could succeed under that amount of pressure". In no way is this a strawman argument. If it is then anyone, any time, anywhere could claim any comparison is a strawman. If you could draw a more direct argument then I'd love to hear it. Regarding pressure %, if Bryce were a little more successful and sustained a few more drives then there would have been more plays to dilute this metric. His very failure contributes to less plays and a higher percentage, he IS PART OF THE METRIC being higher. Beyond that the you're avoiding the obviousness of it all. Mahommes and Goff were both under tremendous pressure all season and turned in spectacular results. In my mind there's no room to say "No one could play with that pressure" when clearly there are guys that are, including Dalton when he had the chance on the same team. EDIT: In fact, it's you making the strawman by pivoting your argument to wide receiver separation vs. directly addressing performance under pressure.

Statistically Mahommes was pressured more (152 to 150) and hit more (65 to 50) than Bryce last year, yet only sacked 27 times to Bryce's 62. But Bryce copers on here acting like no one could be successful under pressure. Honorable Mention for Jared Goff as well.

Can he play QB?

Actually more like diarrhetic flooding from the poo storm we've been in since 2018. The only players on the roster that have seen a winning season are TMo and Shaq and they're on their 7th coach in 6 years.

Holding Bryce out like his availability is the lynchpin of our success. LMAO I think it's completely plausible that Bryce is being held out because they CAN'T evaluate the team completely with him under center. Many of us pointed out how much different the team looked under Dalton's one start last year, all while being shouted down by the Bryce defenders who were petrified of Dalton starting again and cementing the argument. It's going to get real one sided around here real quick, this is the first context clue.

Cannales actually addressed specifically that he thought Plummer gave them a great chance to evaluate the team. I welcome the opportunity to contrast what we see out of Plummer and the team with what we have coming. It's wild that DC said out loud that there is no QB competition here. I mean we all knew it, but dang that's an actual coach saying it doesn't matter who plays the best.

This is great news, now we have a chance to see some decent QB play Thursday! That should allow us to actually evaluate the rest of the team a little better.

They're just keeping a lid on the poo show for as long as they can. Keep pumping out good vibes and sell as many tickets as you can before you have to compete with fans selling theirs. Everyone about to figure out that Bryce is a lot more like Zach Wilson than Peyton Manning.