rayzor

exactly. you can't know. there's no guarantee of health or injury for any player.

or you can choose to see that big question is no bigger for any other player. you can't accurately predict injury for anyone. so why bother?

Can't live in fear. Got to swing for the fences and take a chance. We've seen players of all sizes have injuries happen that shorten their career and you can't predict really any of them. What if he takes a crazy hit and his career ends in 2 years? But what if he doesn't take any serious injuries and he plays at Mahommes level or better for a 10-15 years? If he's capable of doing great things...you've got to focus on that.

what if you can have both in one?

from what i've heard, his work ethic and dedication to the tape is just as elevated as Kuechly was. Supposedly he knows where not only his players, but defender players are supposed to be at any point during a play. He's supposedly that deep into preparation. In there before the coaches watching tape post game and pregame, coming up with plays to help take advantage of things he sees. I'm really high on both guys and think they will both be elite, but Young's mind for the game impresses me probably the most.

people talk about Brees and Brady and about their ability to get the ball out quickly and that prolonged their career. Young is uber mobile and hyper aware of his surroundings and he's well known for being a fast processor and that has helped save his butt, i'm sure, on more than a few occassions. Consider this...what makes anyone think that Young wouldn't be just as able to get the ball out faster the way other great QBs have learned to? What if he was just as smart and able to get the ball out quickly just like those other great QBs and he could still do all the other Young stuff we've seen him do?

what's cool is that there is a QB in the draft that just might be the QB equivalent of Kuechly.

too much truly unnecessary information. i mean someone could and probably is making an argument for the Wonderlic's value, but i think it's always been overstated and has probably (definitely) done more harm than good, especially in keeping very talented players from playing QB who test poorly but have a very high level of football intelligence.

glad it's getting dropped from the combine. not sure why we would be hanging on to it.

what makes me feel confident about this is that we don't have just one guy making the decision. Especially one arrogant, not as smart as he think he is, guy making this decision on a gut feel, unchecked. What we've got is a TEAM of great coaches and talent evaluators from diverse experiences and backgrounds who will be making this decision. Obviously some opinions will carry more weight than others, but i' sure that whoever they get that it will be a great call and that they will have everything in place needed around this young talent to ensure success early.

But it is an unintentional warning that this could potentially blow up in our faces.

I haven't read all of that yet. I plan to, but bringing up similarities between what we're doing and what san fran did leading up to their drafting of Trey Lance is the ultimate buzz kill. I'll read more later...maybe

They got to catch him first.

What can I say....I feel optimistic for the first time in a long time. Ain't no tapping the brakes around here.

40/750/6 That's what I expect. And he'll be our 4th best receiver.

I think they all have had their minds set on someone since the combine. It's just that they don't all have the same name in mind, but they are all sure that you can't go wrong here and that the move to #1 was the ONLY way to be sure to get the guy they all will want when they come to a consensus.

i don't know...i think there was going to be a lot of hot air either way. Media wasn't going to be able to let go of it one way or the other and there comes a point where you just say "fug it" and quit trying to play that game. Media wanted to see him over 200lbs, and he gave it to them, but even then it wasn't a closed issue and it wasn't going to be a closed issue regardless of what he did. In reality there's only two teams who it truly matters to, us and the Texans, because he's going to one or the other. If he's been assured by one or both that they are looking beyond that, and i'm sure it's been discussed with him by both teams at this point...i just don't think he cares anymore what anyone else is saying. even if he does fall past us or the texans, he won't be falling past the colts. i just don't think that he will fall that far. it's either 1 or 2 and his size likely doesn't play as major a role in that decision as many of us and especially the media believes. he's not trying to get drafted first or second overall by mass media or the fans. he's trying to get drafted by several very interested teams who already know the real story we're all debating over.

every player is going to have strengths and weaknesses/limitations that they bring to the picture. good coaches and good players will adapt what they do to what they are capable/not capable of. they always find a way to compensate. and adapt.

i don't think that ultimately it's much of a factor. he didn't weigh in because it's a distraction, and maybe not a concern to a team really interested in him. he's got lots of doubters and speculators because of his size, but his weight doesn't tell much of his story. everyone who needs to know, they know. the weigh in was for media. it's all just talking points, but i think it's something that we, if we are the team that is going to draft him already knows the real deal on and they will have chosen to look past his size.

i just see him as a guy who has been able to process and adapt to anything in front of him and be able to do it quickly. aside form his size, there is no reason to believe this guy won't be elite. i just wonder if that size is enough of a deterrent on it's own and i'm inclined to believe that, because of the other things brought to the table... things he brings and that this team will bring (superior coaching and what is shaping out to be one hell of an OL)... i just don't think that his size won't be something that will come at much of a disadvantage to him or at least i don't think that it will keep him from realizing his potential and being a long term factor in the game.

but it's all just supposition that he's going to have a short career and injury prone because of his size. there's no debating his size, and i think his playing weight is around 190. its just a data point, nothing more. there's nothing to show that he'd be more prone to injury than QBs 10, 20, or even 30 pounds more than him. if the only factor in play was his size, then that would probably be an issue. but there's a whole lot more to the story than his size. Tua wasn't concussed frequently because of his size compared to other QBs.

the thing is, they had to learn to adapt. their lack of mobility made them a target so they had to learn to get the ball out quicker. Young seems to be able to get the ball out quickly and also sense and evade incoming defenders and hits. he's adapted not being able to see over huge linemen by scrambling around and getting his own viewing lanes but also knowing where everyone is supposed to be at any given point during a play. It makes sense that he would be able to adapt to other limitations he has, like being much smaller than the defenders wanting to bring him down.

it makes sense. flexibility i think is a huge factor. like i think that Levis is actually going to be more prone to injury than Young because he's just a weight lifting gym rat who is lacking flexibility. I've seen several speak to this regarding Levis. The heavier and also the more rigid you are, the more likely you are going to get hurt.