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Why Jarrett/Moore and the TEs are shells of what they could be


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We are a running team. Thats the bottom line. Even if the passing game was more effective, we would still be a running team. Thats not a bad thing. Its been a winning formula in the NFL for a long time. Teams can win superbowls that way. In 05/06, the steelers won a superbowl that way, and two years later, the Giants did.

Peyton Manning is a superstar Quarterback. They are relatively rare, and he gives Indy a chance to do things that most other teams can't do. The same goes for Tom Brady, and maybe Drew Brees. We don't need to be more like Indy. We don't have one of those types of quarterbacks, so we have to make do with what we have. We need to be more efficient in our passing game. We need to complete passes, and move the ball with it when we have to. If that means more passes to the tight end, so be it. If it means finding ways to get Steve Smith the ball, then thats ok as well. All of this is true if the QB is Matt Moore or Jake. It will probaby be true if we draft or trade for another QB next year.

But the thing is bro the running game only can do so much then we need throw some. Once teams start stacking the box again making Jake throw more. Then Jake is screwed because he only throws to Smith most of the time and to the rest of the WR core once in a while. We need a good passing game aswell.:smash:
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well, Jarrett has caught 100% of the balls thrown to him that hit him in the numbers. I do think Jarrett needs confidence and that will make him more aggressive....but the fact Carolina drafted him probably doomed his career. He simply doesn't get the chances to prove himself nor gain confidence in the position.

Fixsed. I've seen a few balls drop 3 or 4 yards away with him just watching them. Seems to be a trend among receivers this year not named Moore.

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Fixsed. I've seen a few balls drop 3 or 4 yards away with him just watching them. Seems to be a trend among receivers this year not named Moore.

well, that hasn't happened in games this season. In games last season, he looked good enough to be getting more reps. I will agree w/ you on his preseason action....but preseason is preseason and what you do in the regular season outweighs that by a longshot.

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Jarrett has fantastic hands, reminds me of Keyshawn in his early days. But he makes no effort to go get the ball.

i agree that part of his game needs work....but he needs reps and balls to gain confidence to improve imo. Panther practice alone isn't gonna help Jarrett enough.

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