Tommy John Surgery= Failure???

[ChucktownK]

He is getting old too, just sayin'. He used to have one of the deepest throws in the league but that was quite a few years ago. Doesn't seem like it though. When you have an arm like that, the dropoff in effectiveness is way more apparent when with a deep baller than say with a Jeff Garcia.

[jramsey4]

In 2007 his arm was already in shreds and had been injured several times. In 2006 and 2007 he couldn't even throw much without pain and didn't throw every day in camp or take all the reps in practice during the season.

So any great comparisons before and after surgery should recognize that his arm and elbow were injured and his strength on the ball was much diminished long before the TJ surgery. And by all accounts his arm is stronger now.

He still has touch just look at the pass to Barnidge yesterday. The problem is consistency which has been a problem since 2005.

He has actually gotten more consistent. Look how many 2+ turnover games he has had this season. 5 out of 6 talk about consistency.

[hdevonxz]

He is getting old too, just sayin'. He used to have one of the deepest throws in the league but that was quite a few years ago. Doesn't seem like it though. When you have an arm like that, the dropoff in effectiveness is way more apparent when with a deep baller than say with a Jeff Garcia.

tell that to brett favre

[ChucktownK]

tell that to brett favre

There are no 100%s in life because there are ALWAYS exceptions. Yes, I think Fauvre is exceptional because he is tough and despite throwing oodles of INTs, he still wins a lot of games. Not many QBs you can say that about.

Oh...and please don't EVER compare those two ever again. Your football knowledge surpasses that.

[hdevonxz]

There are no 100%s in life because there are ALWAYS exceptions. Yes, I think Fauvre is exceptional because he is tough and despite throwing oodles of INTs, he still wins a lot of games. Not many QBs you can say that about.

Oh...and please don't EVER compare those two ever again. Your football knowledge surpasses that.

....too easy.

[ckad79]

I have two theories:

1. That Saints game last year the 'dome. That last play that Jake threw up for Steve and that miracle catch that he came down with. Well, after the play we all saw Jake grab his arm in pain. Week ago, we play Arizona and his passes are WAY off.

2. The ARizona game exposed a huge issue with Jake and other teams watch footage and see how to play us.

Whatever it is, one thing is clear --- Jake never speaks up when there is a problem, so he could be hurting the team and nobody would know.