Franchise Quarterback

[jpniner]

Problem is so do a lot of the worst ones. Number of attempts seems a useless way of categorizing quarterbacks. You don't account for the Donovan McNabbs who have thrown for only 25 times a game with his 90 rating, and you include the Matt Cassels with his 68. Seems both poor and good quarterbacks throw the ball alot. Teams that consistently lose throw just as much or more than those who consistently win.

has nothing to do with QB's who win vs. those who lose, point is the TOP QB's all average 30 or more passes a game. McNabb avgs this season 30.5...key here is AVERAGE.

When Jake attempts 30 or more passes we have a 25% Chance of winning, not so for most all the top "Franchise QB's"

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Every QB in top 20, all of which have a QB rating of over 80, attempt at a minimum - 30 Passes per game. Lone exception is Vince Young who, like Jake, has a strong running game which keeps him from the need to win the game on his strengths.

Now, imagine if Jake didn't have a running game all this time, much less Steve Smith, and he played like most QB's in passing on avg atleast 30 attempts per game, with Defenses knowing its coming.

That's the difference, with good QB's the defense can know its coming pre-game and still not stop it while with bad QB's like Jake, defenses try to force him into passing because they know they can beat him.

So over Jakes career: 25% chance of winning when Jake attempts what most QB's average in passes per game, and about a 75% chance of winning when Jake is limited to under 30 passes per game, which means we established a strong running attack.

Which is probably why Fox/Hurney spent 2 First Round Picks on Running Backs and traded a First to draft Otah and paid Gross the big bucks. All in a futile attempt to cover up how bad of a passing QB Jake Delhomme is.

[panthers55]

has nothing to do with QB's who win vs. those who lose, point is the TOP QB's all average 30 or more passes a game. McNabb avgs this season 30.5...key here is AVERAGE.

When Jake attempts 30 or more passes we have a 25% Chance of winning, not so for most all the top "Franchise QB's"

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Every QB in top 20, all of which have a QB rating of over 80, attempt at a minimum - 30 Passes per game. Lone exception is Vince Young who, like Jake, has a strong running game which keeps him from the need to win the game on his strengths.

Now, imagine if Jake didn't have a running game all this time, much less Steve Smith, and he played like most QB's in passing on avg atleast 30 attempts per game, with Defenses knowing its coming.

That's the difference, with good QB's the defense can know its coming pre-game and still not stop it while with bad QB's like Jake, defenses try to force him into passing because they know they can beat him.

So over Jakes career: 25% chance of winning when Jake attempts what most QB's average in passes per game, and about a 75% chance of winning when Jake is limited to under 30 passes per game, which means we established a strong running attack.

Which is probably why Fox/Hurney spent 2 First Round Picks on Running Backs and traded a First to draft Otah and paid Gross the big bucks. All in a futile attempt to cover up how bad of a passing QB Jake Delhomme is.

The only point in football is winning and losing. Attempts, completions,TDs and INTs are all typically influential in the final score as long as they result in points scored. Try looking at your list and sorting them by points scored and see how they shake out winning and losing. You will get a few teams with a good offense that might be close to 500 like Houston or last year- New Orleans that have a franchise quarterback. More likely they add up to a winning record and consistent winner. Focusing on simplistic elements like attempts or even yards per attempt explain a portion of the teams success, but in the end points scored requires frequent trips to the redzone even though this can be engineered through the offense or defense. The reason Jake has a losing record throwing 30 times or more is because we rarely do it unless we are behind. Not surprising the results then. Is Jake a franchise quarterback? Yeah, every year he has a record of 11-5 or better he is one. Every year we go less than 500 he isn't, with the exception of 2004. For me I don't care if he hands it off, throws it, runs for it, or whatever. At long as the result is a high offensive output, I am happy he is on my team. When he plays like this year, he isn't.

Like our franchise, Jake is up and down making him a sometimes franchise quarterback. Right now, he is down. I am looking forward to see if he has one more up left, either this year or next. If not then Moore can go a long way to prove he is a franchise quarterback, by scoring points by any means instead of simply making sure he attempts at least 30 passes. ( As if this is some kind of barometer.) Maybe both happen, maybe not. But if he can help us beat Minnesota at home, then for at least the next week, he is my franchise quarterback. And it will likely mean he earned the right to finish the season. And frankly he will have increased his bargaining position significantly if he can establish a much higher asking price given his expiring contract.

To me franchise quarterback varies with the system they play in. Cutler isn't a franchise quarterback this year because the chicago offense doesn't work for him. But it worked in Denver who had a better system and better receivers. You have to have the skills and be in the right system. That is why different organizations have franchise quarterbacks who bring different things to the table. For example a quarterback like Roethlisburger is considered a franchise quarterback not so much for his statistics as the win and loss record particularly in the playoffs. Whereas a guy like Brees has got great numbers and a great system. Would he be this good somewhere else? Probably good but not necessarily as great.

Great franchises have great quarterbacks who consistently put up good offensive numbers. Until we can do that every year, we won't have a franchise quarterback. Jake is the closest we have had.

Moore has a chance to take the first step to becoming one if he will believe in himself and turn it loose. It would be fantastic to see him develop into a threat before our eyes on Sunday night before a national audience. The only way to win is come out smoking and establish the pass so the run will unfold as the game proceeds. Or he implodes and we know at least for the present the answer is no.

Could he be our next franchise quarterback? I hope so. It would make next year much easier for whoever is here.

[Mesmer]

If it's not completely obvious that Jake Delhomme is basically done, then I don't really know what to say. I know that Kurt Warner had those problems and was able to come back and be an elite QB again.

Jake's problems are not about overcoming confidence issues and getting 100% healthy.

Jake's problem is his declining athletic ability due to age, and the fact that he wasn't a very good QB to begin with. So we're stuck with a quarterback who is past his prime, unable to get the job done, and whose confidence is in shambles because of it.

What more is there to see? Did you want to see if Seifert could get it turned around after 1-15? Did you think that we should give Foster another 250 carries over a year to make sure that he was terrible?

Knowing when to get rid of veterans is not something that is easy, and it's not something that our FO really has a good feel for. However, when vets are past due, it's pretty obvious after the fact.