Training camp observations. 100 or less post.

[Squirrel]

For people who cant start threads to post their observations.

[Catalyst]

Good idea; sticky?

[LburgPanther]

This is my first post, so please take it easy. I’ve been using the huddle forum the past few weeks as a way to keep up with Panthers information and gossip, but there have been a couple things I keep reading that are just starting to annoy me…hope this is an acceptable thread to post this on

1.) Every time Cam does something wrong in camp, there are fans who think this is an indication that he is a bust, over-rated..aka ryan leaf/ heath shuler

2.) Any time Cam gets rave reviews in camp, it sounds like some fans are expecting him to be a top-10 QB by the end of the year…….and anything else would be a disappointment.

My view is everyone needs to calm down and realize that he is a rookie QB, albeit a rookie with a lot of hype and a ton of potential. Furthermore, he is a rookie QB coming into what is a brand new offense for him and all of the returning veteran offensive players…and oh yeah, that whole lock-out thing that happened this year.

Look at the list of players I assembled below consisting of hall of famers, future hall of famers, and other team’s current “franchise” QB’s. Look at how well they did in their first year, only two had over an 80.0 QB rating (flacco), and the other was Big Ben (98.1…but seriously the dude almost kills himself on a motorcycle, and after all of his rape allegations he’s made Kobe Bryant look like an altar boy). Granted there are always the exceptions such as Dan Marino, Matt Ryan, or Big Ben…guys who establish themselves by the end of their rookie season, and maybe that’s what Cam does this year. I certainly hope he can have a pro-bowl year in his rookie season, and he does have that potential…but plenty of great QB’s have not established themselves until year 2 or 3.

So please stop interpreting what Cam’s career is going to be like after just a few practices in training camp, most likely we won’t see his full potential until next year. So when he struggles stop saying, “I told you so, Cam sucks” or “Oh no…Oh no..Oh no…Cam’s the next Jimmy Clausen”….chill people…he’s mostly likely going to struggle at times…that’s what rookie QB’s do.

I know some of you have been saying the same thing as me, and I only offer the list below to bolster your points. I hope others of you doing view me as a Cam-doubter. I do expect him to develop into our franchise QB who puts up great numbers, but I don’t expect him to be an all-star right out of the gate….could he be…yeah its possible, but I’m not going to count it against Cam if he struggles at times this year (look at the list below).

Peyton Manning

GP Yards TD INT QB Rating

1998 16 3739 26 28 71.2

1999 16 4135 26 28 90.7

Drew Brees

2001 1 221 1 0** 94.8

2002 16 3284 17 16 76.9

2003 11 2108 11 15 67.5

**Good QB rating, but Brees did lose 2 fumbles in this game

Michael Vick

2001 8 785 2 3 62.7

2002 15 2936 16 8 81.6

*I did not include rushing stats, albeit they are important, most people are acting crazy about his passing performances.

Joe Flacco

2008 16 2971 14 12 80.3

John Elway

1983 11 1663 7 14 54.9

1984 15 2598 18 15 76.8

1985 16 3891 22 23 70.2

Troy Aikman

1989 11 1749 9 18 55.7

1990 15 2579 11 18 66.6

Big Ben

2004 14 2621 17 11 98.1

Mark Sanchez

2009 15 2444 12 20 63.0

Sam Bradford

2010 16 3512 18 15 76.5

[LburgPanther]

oh yeah, one more thing that I don't get....

3.) Why in the world do people insist on booing Jimmy Clausen???? I get it, Clausen’s performance can be compared to Leinharts….but he is a Panther, he is young, he had to play under John Fox last year….and shouldn’t we hope he gets better???? Oh no let’s hope he sucks so we can keep yelling at him (great...... so what if Cam gets hurt..ummm??) ….or hey how bout we hope he actually is getting better so we can get trade value out of him…that’s an idea eh???? Anyways, these are all thoughts from a first time poster…...

thanks for those of you who constantly keep these threads going with new information.

and thanks to Squirrel for starting this thing up.

[Kurb]

Ummmm this isvfor observations from people who have done to camp :)

[jherald]

Interesting statistics.

I don't mind that you weren't at camp. Just happy to see some fresh faces around here who can carry on a conversation without flaming the team. We're all supposed to be fans here so let's cut these "noobs" a break. WE may very well learn something from them.

[jayflip]

Interesting statistics.

I don't mind that you weren't at camp. Just happy to see some fresh faces around here who can carry on a conversation without flaming the team. We're all supposed to be fans here so let's cut these "noobs" a break. WE may very well learn something from them.

Very well put, noob. Haha.

I kid, I kid, I know you've been here a while!

[panthernation23]

cam #1

[D34Williams]

cam #1

hell yeah this is a badass post thank you