Moment of suprise

[Fireball77]

I don't think Gruden won it because of Dungy. Even Sapp who loves Dungy said they wouldn't have won one with Dungy, they needed Gruden to win it. But dude, seriously, you'd have a lot more potential around here if you could be a tad bit less smug.

[rko396]

ahhhh fireball what u doin man? we were having a nice convo until u came in. now he doesnt wanna talk to me anymore. he was ready to throw all his "Buccs are great" facts at me. oh well, take it easy on him will ya? and dont saying anything your gonna regret....remember: The buccs DID have the number one defense in 1978. just keep htt in mind

[Lone Buc Fan]

1979 actually lol... and that was brought into play because you act like Tampa is the worst franchise in the NFL when they've accomplished everything the Panthers haven't yet. I like convos like these lol...

[rko396]

you like convo's where u have to think back to the 70's to come up with something your team has done right?

[Lone Buc Fan]

Nah, I was responding to you saying how bad we were. I mean a 26 game losing streak from 1976-1977 to having the #1 D in 1979. Pretty crazy to drastically improve that often. Don't worry though, the Bucs already experienced its share of failure just like your Panthers. I mean, aside losing in the Super Bowl. The ultimate defeat.. but yea, even look at the 90s till this point. The Bucs have been in the top 10 defenses for what 15 of the past 16 years?

Also, the Panthers one solid year running... is overshadowed by the #3 team in the South's accomplishments at this point. Your guys accomplishments don't even compare to the Bucs.

[rko396]

hahaaha your team loses 26 games in a row but we expirenced the ultimate defeat by losing ONE game to the team that won 3 super bowls in 4 years? good logic. ummmm you do realize we are in the same division right? sooooo if WE got overshadowed by the Falcons that means you......... ahhh nevermind. yes your defense WAS good, but where has that got you? 2 playoff apperences in the last 6 years. nice. and ya that defense is now done thanks to that team you played on that embarassing monday night loss. i forget what team it was tho

[mantal]

Nah, I was responding to you saying how bad we were. I mean a 26 game losing streak from 1976-1977 to having the #1 D in 1979. Pretty crazy to drastically improve that often. Don't worry though, the Bucs already experienced its share of failure just like your Panthers. I mean, aside losing in the Super Bowl. The ultimate defeat.. but yea, even look at the 90s till this point. The Bucs have been in the top 10 defenses for what 15 of the past 16 years?

Also, the Panthers one solid year running... is overshadowed by the #3 team in the South's accomplishments at this point. Your guys accomplishments don't even compare to the Bucs.

Well yeah, the old saying, offenses put you into the playoffs, but defenses win championships... Nuff said... lol

[Lone Buc Fan]

Yup and the goal of a NFL season is to win a Super Bowl. So, even your offense as good as it is (not as good as the Patriots, Colts or a handful of other offenses)... doesn't matter when you defense allows the other team to score 30 a game.

[bucsfan4life]

I'd rather have the longest losing streak in NFL History and a Superbowl ring than no Superbowl ring.

[mantal]

Yup and the goal of a NFL season is to win a Super Bowl. So, even your offense as good as it is (not as good as the Patriots, Colts or a handful of other offenses)... doesn't matter when you defense allows the other team to score 30 a game.

I'm saying you don't have the personnel to develop it, (old), where we may surprise you and find a way to do it. You have a much more attitude of your defense than you have any right to at this point, you must realize that at this point even though you won't admit it and I wouldn't expect you to...

[rko396]

I'd rather have the longest losing streak in NFL History and a Superbowl ring than no Superbowl ring.

The longest losing streak in history is bad, but the point is that the bucc's have only reached the NFC champ game 3 times in 33 years. yes I too would trade for a bad losing streak and a super bowl win, but dealing with 30 YEARS of suffering besides that? no thanks, we will leave that to to the Bucc's

[Lone Buc Fan]

Tampa has plenty of young talent on defense...

Gaines Adams

Greg White

Angel Crowell

Jermaine Phillips

Barrett Ruud

Aqib Talib

Tanard Jackson

Thats just to name a few... we have plenty of talent to develop a super bowl calibur team. Until the Panthers win a Super Bowl... their efforts are just a failure.

[rko396]

Until the Panthers win a Super Bowl... their efforts are just a failure.

good point. you won the super bowl 6 years ago, so you guys plan on taking the next 33 years off right?

[Lone Buc Fan]

Hey, aslong as it keeps us ahead of the Panthers... Fine with me, not like you guys are going to out do us anytime soon and win one ya know?