Which Player Deserves One More Shot?

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Your the one who started this off making assumptions. I just simple demonstrated where your thinking may or may not be accurate based on scheme and circumstance. And no playing nickel is not easier, it is different and requires different skill sets, you said so yourself. And no a nickel corner doesn't get more help playing their man if the secondary is in man and the linebackers are blitzing. More assumptions which may or may not be true,

Is free safety easier to play than strong safety? Is WLB easier to play than MLB? The answer to all those questions is not necessarily. It depends on the individual and their skill sets. For example beason played at a prolevel at MLB and struggled to play Will while common wisdom is that it is easier than MLB to play. But it isn't, it is different.

Dude you came at me when all I said was that Munnerlyn would be better suited at nickel. But now you are saying the exact same thing. Why even start a debate if you are going to end up at the same conclusion I said in my

My only assumption (if that's what you want to call it) was when playing the nickel you aren't as isolated which helps Captain out. We all know if we stuck Munenrlyn on an island he get beaten like a drum more often than not. I've stated that he doesn't do well in straight up man to man coverage. But I'd much rather him be in straight up man to man coverage at the nickel spot than outside. He wouldn't be as susceptible to give up the big plays he was accustomed to giving up because of his style of play. You're trying too hard to find one single circumstance that doesn't back up my claim. Not to sure you demonstrated where my thinking that "Placing him in the nickel suits him because he has less ground to cover and he likes to play physical" is inaccurate.

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Dude you came at me when all I said was that Munnerlyn would be better suited at nickel. But now you are saying the exact same thing. Why even start a debate if you are going to end up at the same conclusion I said in my

My only assumption (if that's what you want to call it) was when playing the nickel you aren't as isolated which helps Captain out. We all know if we stuck Munenrlyn on an island he get beaten like a drum more often than not. I've stated that he doesn't do well in straight up man to man coverage. But I'd much rather him be in straight up man to man coverage at the nickel spot than outside. He wouldn't be as susceptible to give up the big plays he was accustomed to giving up because of his style of play. You're trying too hard to find one single circumstance that doesn't back up my claim. Not to sure you demonstrated where my thinking that "Placing him in the nickel suits him because he has less ground to cover and he likes to play physical" is inaccurate.

And now that we agree you are wrong and nickel isn't more or less isolated but different why not give it up instead of arguing. Again we gave up big plays as much because we had poor safety help and little pass rush as it was any one player. I am just pointing the reality of the situation which you seem to agree with and then argue at the same time. What is inaccurate is that it is less ground to cover, If you play strict zone you have a 10 -20 yard area to play unless you are in man . A nickel may have to follow his man across the field which can be 30 yards, so again that is an assumption that isn't always true. Stick to" he can jam the receiver off the line and play physical man coverage and that is where he is best" and leave it at that. Otherwise you will be making more assumptions which aren't always true.

Sure call that an exception but you are making broad brush statements and I am just showing you were they are not necessarily true. Do with it what you want.

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And now that we agree you are wrong and nickel isn't more or less isolated but different why not give it up instead of arguing.

I have not conceded that fact and never stated I did. I believe you are more isolated outside than you are in nickel.

Again we gave up big plays as much because we had poor safety help and little pass rush as it was any one player. I am just pointing the reality of the situation which you seem to agree with and then argue at the same time.

Yes there are a lot of factors that went into giving up big plays, that's not really what I was discussing. I stated that Captain is better suited for the slot and if did play there, we upgraded our #2, we'd be in better shape. Captain isn't someone you want as a #2 CB if you want to be competitive.

What is inaccurate is that it is less ground to cover, If you play strict zone you have a 10 -20 yard area to play unless you are in man . A nickel may have to follow his man across the field which can be 30 yards, so again that is an assumption that isn't always true.

So your telling me if you start a receiver in the slot position and cut him across the field you'd have more ground to cover than if you started someone on the outside and ran a similar route?

Stick to" he can jam the receiver off the line and play physical man coverage and that is where he is best" and leave it at that. Otherwise you will be making more assumptions which aren't always true.

Still don't know why the "assumption" you are more isolated on the outside is false. I guess you can find a unique situation where it wouldn't be the case. But, defending the slot WR you clearly aren't isolated as much just by the simple fact of where they line up on the field. You have corners to one side of you, linebackers to the other, and safeties behind you. You can't say that about outside CBs. Yes he likes to play physical and that is one factor but also the other factor is that if he doesn't get a jam, I'd much rather him be in the middle of the field (where he isn't as isolated as much) than on the outside. You can be just as physical a corner on the outside as you are defending the slot but it's how you respond if you don't get that jam. Putting players where they can succeed based on the situation, position, and so forth is important. There has to be a reason why Munnerlyn would be better suited for nickel other than just because he is physical. You clearly think so as well. What is your reasoning for why Captain would be better suited for nickel, because like we have said it's almost a different position.

Sure call that an exception but you are making broad brush statements and I am just showing you were they are not necessarily true. Do with it what you want.

For the most part it is true that isolation occurs more on the outside. Just like when someone says that the WLB is more involved in coverage than the SLB. I guess it's not always the case on any given play but no one would start a debate on the fact that sometimes SLB have to cover TEs so that means WLB aren't always more involved in coverage.