Morgan Retires Again

[Saint J]

Chris Gamble is doing fine if you're talking about Jenkins.

[Fiz]

so if he goes the chris gamble route you'll have a really solid player in 2013

[Saint J]

Isn't Gamble kind of dumb?

[Brandon]

The Williams/Jax experiment was a mess, mostly because of Del Rio's tension with Williams. Del Rio is a strong willed guy who wants to have a big hand in the defense but Williams is the same kind of guy with his own ideas and philosophy. He'll fit in New Orleans because Payton has nothing to do with the defense, and it will just be Williams running things.

Spicer has been in a 4-3 scheme since around 2000, I would think he's adapted by now. No matter his size that's the scheme he is used to.

You're comments about Greer were-''the only thing he'll bring is leadership'', ''Don't count on anything from Vaughn & Arnoux''. you might as well have saved the time an said they sucked.

Come back when you can be somewhat objective.

I have a hard time believing that's the only reason for the decline in basic aspects of Jacksonville's defense.

You're missing the point again. He's better suited for a 3-4 regardless of what he's been playing in for the past 8 years. When your team needs a pass rush a guy who gets about 4-5 sacks a year isn't going to fix things. He's a solid player but he'd fit better as a DT on your team than a DE.

My comment was towards Sharper, not Greer. As far as Vaughn and Arnoux are concerned, they will take some time to contribute at the NFL level, if ever. I never said they sucked just that expecting 4th round rookies to do much considering your team's history with defensive draft picks is a bit premature.

[Fiz]

Isn't Gamble kind of dumb?

dumb is too generous

[Fiz]

I have a hard time believing that's the only reason for the decline in basic aspects of Jacksonville's defense.

talent drop off and age

[Saint J]

Jenkins is getting a degree in Forensics, so I'm assuming he's not functionally retarded like many OSU players.

[SCP]

Isn't Gamble kind of dumb?

As long as he can play, it don't be mattering.

[Saint J]

I have a hard time believing that's the only reason for the decline in basic aspects of Jacksonville's defense.

You're missing the point again. He's better suited for a 3-4 regardless of what he's been playing in for the past 8 years. When your team needs a pass rush a guy who gets about 4-5 sacks a year isn't going to fix things. He's a solid player but he'd fit better as a DT on your team than a DE.

My comment was towards Sharper, not Greer. As far as Vaughn and Arnoux are concerned, they will take some time to contribute at the NFL level, if ever. I never said they sucked just that expecting 4th round rookies to do much considering your team's history with defensive draft picks is a bit premature.

fiz nailed it to why the Jax defense struggled last year, they're worse off than the Saints right now.

Again, we're not expecting 14 sacks out of Spicer. 4-5 sacks would be wonderful when paired with Smith, Grant, and McCray's numbers. Not to mention all of the LBs who will be blitzing a lot. Ellis will get more sacks than he had last year as well. I'm not concerned with the D-line. With Williams' philosophy and scheme, pass rush won't be a problem this year. Gibbs only blitzed like 1-3 times a game. He was awful.

Our best O-lineman came from the 5th round last year, Carl Nicks. Who says a late round pick can't contribute? The Saints have been very good lately at finding late round steals.

Sharper brings ball instincts to the defense, along with Jenkins. Vaughn is already a fav. of Williams because of his hard hitting style. Arnoux is out for the season but he may start next year depending on what we do with Shanle.

[Fiz]

sharper can't even walk anymore

[Saint J]

He played well with Minnesota next year. Besides, if Vaughn starts the only thing we'll need out of Sharper is leadership. Usama Young was moved to safety this offseason and may start as well.

[Fiz]

sharper had probably the best front 7 in the nfl in front of him last year.

let's just say new orleans' isn't as good

[Saint J]

This defense is a lot more talented than the 2006 version which was good enough for the NFC title game. Not to mention there is almost no comparison between the two coordinators.

Pierre Thomas> '06 Deuce

Garrett Hartley>John Carney or Grammatica

[Brandon]

fiz nailed it to why the Jax defense struggled last year, they're worse off than the Saints right now.

Again, we're not expecting 14 sacks out of Spicer. 4-5 sacks would be wonderful when paired with Smith, Grant, and McCray's numbers. Not to mention all of the LBs who will be blitzing a lot. Ellis will get more sacks than he had last year as well. I'm not concerned with the D-line. With Williams' philosophy and scheme, pass rush won't be a problem this year. Gibbs only blitzed like 1-3 times a game. He was awful.

Our best O-lineman came from the 5th round last year, Carl Nicks. Who says a late round pick can't contribute? The Saints have been very good lately at finding late round steals.

Sharper brings ball instincts to the defense, along with Jenkins. Vaughn is already a fav. of Williams because of his hard hitting style. Arnoux is out for the season but he may start next year depending on what we do with Shanle.

Spicer averages that much per season when in a starting capacity. He'll more than likely be a backup so I'm fairly sure he won't reach even those numbers. Also the lack of blitzing isn't the big issue, sacks generally don't come off of blitzes necessarily, they come more often from good coverage. What blitzes do is force the opposing QB to get rid of the ball sooner which increases the chance for an interception.

I was unaware that Carl Nicks was a defensive player.

Sharper slowed down a lot last year in Minnesota, and while the leadership will help you guys still need help from your defensive backs.