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  1. 2015 Panthers DT Snap Counts

    Well, to be fair, Star's snaps were skewed because of his foot injury. Nevertheless, If Butler shows he is ready to play, they will find snaps for him. I just wonder about giving all three guys enough snaps next year and beyond if we don't get rid of any of them. If Butler develops like the team obviously expects, he'll need to be on the field, and we can't limit KK's snaps because he's just too dominant. That leaves Star as the odd man out. Perhaps if Butler shows out this year they will pull Star's 5th year option and take a 3rd for him rather than pay him 9 million or so along with KK's 16.
  2. The DE Position

    Ok, I'm on record for not being 100% sold on the Butler pick. I feel he is somewhat redundant, and I do have some reservations of him as a player. With that said, I trust Gettleman, and bow to his superior knowledge. So, I will give him a fair shot. With that said, many feel that DE is a major position of need for us, and can't believe that if we went DL that it wasn't one of the DE's. But, what if the team likes the guys already on the team as much if not more than what was available to us. What if they don't see it as the major need that many fans and media think? While we believe guys like Dodd or Ogbah could be CJ's replacement, Gettleman may see guys like Miley and Cox as the answer. He may not think DE is the absolute must pick that many of us do. We already have one solid starting DE and some solid depth, but what if the team truly believes that the answer really is on the roster? I think we need to be patient and wait and see how the 2016 team is put together. By the time the season starts, we all may be saying "Dodd who" "Ogbah who." After all, I remember thinking that if Cox can produce like he did in preseason in regular season games that we could have a special pass rusher on our hands. And Gettleman singled out Miley as someone already on the roster that he really likes. So, who knows, we may find a surprise in our stocking come September.
  3. Carolina Panthers select DT Vernon Butler

    What do you base this on? Seriously, I see a lot of people acting like this is some great player, but where are they getting that impression from? Other than the fact that Gettleman took him and the positives in various media evaluations, what makes people think he is worth the pick. I'm truly not asking to be a smartass, but I really want to know. I felt better about him until I went and watched the few gametapes Draftbreakdoun has on him (which is admittedly very limited and incomplete). Watching them, I saw a guy who got stonewalled by Arkansas St. guards one on one, he also whiffed on the few plays he actually was in position to make, and was generally not a very dominant presence against teams he should have crushed. So, again, I really do want to know what people are basing their love affair on. And why does anyone think he will be ready for a major role this year?
  4. Carolina Panthers select DT Vernon Butler

    After looking at his videos at Draftbreakdown, I'm not too impressed with what I saw from him, but I will trust Gettleman to know better than me (obviously). So, I'll withhold judgement on Butler until I see how he performs on the field and how solid coaching may fix some of the issues I saw. Right now, my main issue is that we have 3 guys that should be starters at DT (you always want your #1 to eventually start), and none of them are ideal DE's in a 4-3. Maybe situationally, but not as base DE starters. Of course, if they have plans to switch to a 3-4, then all bets are off. But I seriously doubt that is the plan. So, how will we get good value out of all three of them...unless one will soon be out of the picture.
  5. Carolina Panthers select DT Vernon Butler

    They can pull it anytime, though. So, If Star has any further foot problems, or if it just looks like he's going to demand too much to re-sign, then they can pull the option after the season and go into 2017 with KK and Butler as the starters. That's the only reason I can think of why they took a DT when the starters play about 60-70% of the defensive snaps. Even in a rotation, he's not going to get enough snaps to justify the early pick as long as both KK and Star are here.
  6. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    That's a silly argument. And a whiney one at that. We all talk out of our ass...you too. All any of us have to go by is the limited sample of games and videos we see (I doubt you can find one person on this board - including yourself - that has seen every play Hunter has ran, so according to you, no one should be talking about him). That's how we all form our opinions. And if anyone here thinks their opinion based on that limited sample size is better than any GM's they are an idiot. We're here for one thing...to discuss our opinions, as limited as they may be. Don't take it so personally when someone doesn't completely agree with you.
  7. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    Unfortunately. A good receiving TE that can also block is a dangerous weapon for an offense.
  8. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    I completely agree. The thing about Olsen is that he's still not a great blocker, but he has made himself into a serviceable one. I think that kind of work ethic and knowledge could really benefit a guy like Henry. I'm sure if he goes to certain teams, they will just tell him to focus on catching the ball, but if we do pick him, he'll be expected to stay in and block on occasion as well as catching passes. And after looking at some videos, I really think that he can be a Jason Whitten-type...a throwback dual threat TE.
  9. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    But that's not the point. The reason people talk about Henry's blocking is because right now, he more or less gets in the way. What you want out of your TE is the ability to hold the block and help open running lanes. Those "get in the way" blockers can be ran around, and since they don't hold up at the point, often allow the defender to get free and make a play. Unfortunately, all around TE's are going the way of the Dodo, but that's what you hope for when you bring in a TE. Now, from what it looks like, Hunter has the ability to block, but he is too often pushed out of they way. Basically, just slowing down the defender, not stopping him. That's why he needs time in an NFL strength program. Unlike a lot of receiving TE's, the skillset and desire is there, he just needs to improve his core.
  10. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    No, it's that ideally your TE not just gets in the way, but can also hold the block and push guys off the line. You can get by "getting in the way," but it's not what teams prefer.
  11. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    You beat me to it.
  12. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    But he came back and did 21 reps at his pro day. Don't know what the problem was at the combine, but you don't get 8 reps stronger in a week. So, I'm assuming there was a reason for the low number of reps at the combine.
  13. Could also be a smokescreen to hide their interest so nobody jumps ahead of them to grab Lynch...at least that's what I hope. Coleman's my #1 fantasy pick!
  14. Jaylon Smith?

    The thing is that there is a chance it will wake up. If it does, whoever takes him will get a historic steal. With that said, if it doesn't wake up, you just blew a fairly high pick, and the chance at a probable contributor. This is the definition of a draft gamble. I guess the docs will ultimately determine if he is on our board. If they feel he will regain feeling in his nerve, I could see him being on the board, but only for a mid-late pick. However, if they have no idea, I agree, he's off the board.
  15. Voth predicts Hunter Henry

    Ok, after watching that video, he looks a lot like Olsen...both in his pass catching and his blocking. He has soft hands and catches the ball easy, like Greg does. He does seem to be a bit of a get in the way blocker right now, but I think once he gets into an NFL weight room, he can be much better. It looks like he gets into good position, just needs to get stronger. I'm feeling better about him being the pick. Now that I'm coming around on him, watch us take someone totally unexpected just to throw us off.