I'm not in the business of putting people down so I hope you don't feel like I'm trying to do that with you. I do think that it's quite arrogant for you to assume ignorance when it serves your argument. Fact is I can google opinions to support your argument or mine so posting studies are useless here in this forum. I have no idea why you keep saying that Ive said your being funded by a particular company. I merely said most of that type of work is funded or granted. By whom and why is such a grey area that it would be ignorant to assume that none of that money is coming from a corporate donor or private donor with certain interests. I was asking what YOUR position was. You obviously don't have one of your own only charts.
Studies can indicate a problem being present, OK, there is a problem. What are we going to do to fix it? Got any ideas other than somebody elses?
Yeah, sure seems like you are putting me and scientists down. If you're "not in the business of it" maybe you should reconsider some of what you said. Maybe I keep accusing you of saying I was an employee of Monsanto because that is basically what you said. You accused me of, and I quote, "You can qoute "studies" but while you stir the pot for your employer the earth is in the process of suffering a great catastrophe if your "studies" are wrong and skewed." Immediately before that you had said people in my profession were easily bought and sold. Who exactly do you think is "my employer" that I am "stirring the pot" for?
Also, it's really not a grey area where most funding comes from for papers - it's part of the acknowledgements. Indeed, a lot companies do provide substantial funding, but they are not the only source, and with nearly 2 decades of Bt research, if it was responsible for bee population declines we would have seen papers on it. Edit: And fwiw, I've never gotten a dime from any corporation, nor tried to... but my primary source of funding is the NIH because I work with disease vectors. My evolution-based research is NSF funded tho.
I told you what my position was, and I've said what my position was in this thread repeatedly. GMO food is safe(edit again: specifically Bt crops, I am actually concerned with roundup ready stuff actually because a lot of modern herbicides are scary poo). Monsanto has awful business practices that exploit farmers. I said in my last post. I've said it repeatedly in this thread. I even said it in the post you just quoted. I hate Monsanto, but I think GM foods are safe. As I've said in other posts, I don't think bt is responsible for bee declines, based on research into the subject, and I think that it is far more likely to be a combination of factors involving habitat loss and parasitism.
"Got any ideas other than somebody elses?" Seriously? What exactly is wrong with other people's ideas? We should probably consult experts when we're talking about this poo since last I checked none of us were entomologists working on CCD. From what I've read and heard, yeah, I have an opinion. It was brought up earlier, but in general, I think the mites caused the decline in the 90's and I think that general bee population declines are really based of changing landscape usage and urbal sprawl. I don't think there is anything we can do about some of that, other than to continue researching causes to be sure we can understand and control parasites and the like.
Edited by mav1234, 19 June 2014 - 01:54 PM.