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Another nail in the coffin of the silly "we can get kids to stop having sex" movement

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In order to keep their kids somehow shielded from this, lots of parents homeschool their own values into their kids - and just like in a normal school, sometimes they come out fine, sometimes they come out disfunctional.

My take on it is that if you love your child and truly care about their happiness, and you trust them and have raised them right, then you owe it to them to give them the most honest and straightforward information you can, instead of working to protect your own self interests.

And you think religious parents are incapable of doing this?

And you're dead wrong on homeschooling. Parents don't homeschool their kids to shield them from social experiences or just to ensure that they aren't having sex. Parents homeschool because they're thoroughly dissatisfied with the school system. Sometimes it's moral stance; other times it's safety issues; others, it's quality of education provided. In most cases, you'll find it's a combination of those things.

Given the way schools are these days, there's evidence to back them up.

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You tell me I'm "dead wrong", then site "moral stance" as a reason for homeschooling.

I'm not saying anyone is incapable of anything. But the odds are that if you are homeschooled for religious reasons, it's doubtful your parents will provide condoms and STD information discreetly and anonymously.

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So, is the "correct" outcome a teen NOT getting pregnant or getting a disease or is it how they were taught all the info related to sex ed/protection/responsibility.

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You tell me I'm "dead wrong", then site "moral stance" as a reason for homeschooling.

I'm not saying anyone is incapable of anything. But the odds are that if you are homeschooled for religious reasons, it's doubtful your parents will provide condoms and STD information discreetly and anonymously.

And you think that's the only way to stop teen pregnancy?

Believe it or not, a lot of parents do successfully keep their kids away from underage sex, pregnancy and STDs without the use of condoms.

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I believe it. I seem to have done it, though my daughter is still a HS senior....

But the statistics show that the more honest and open information that a teen gets, the less likely they are to get an STD or pregnant. The linked article at the top of the thread shows that "promises" and a lack of information make teens more at risk.

You are defending individuals; I am merely citing statistics and the common sense behind them. That is the measurable yardstick of success in a society wide issue like this.

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I believe it. I seem to have done it, though my daughter is still a HS senior....

But the statistics show that the more honest and open information that a teen gets, the less likely they are to get an STD or pregnant. The linked article at the top of the thread shows that "promises" and a lack of information make teens more at risk.

You are defending individuals; I am merely citing statistics and the common sense behind them. That is the measurable yardstick of success in a society wide issue like this.

Statistics and studies don't raise kids. Neither does the government. Parents do that. I'd add that there's not enough info about this study to know how solid it was (there were accusations it was flawed in the article) but there have been numerous others that have stated sex ed programs that stress abstinence as the primary birth control method are more successful (even outside of a values framework).

Your logic suggests that religious parents can't be open and honest about sex. I know quite a few religious parents very well, and pretty much all of them are more than willing to talk openly to their kids about sex. They just also happen to do it within the moral framework of their religious beliefs.

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And you think that's the only way to stop teen pregnancy?

Believe it or not, a lot of parents do successfully keep their kids away from underage sex, pregnancy and STDs without the use of condoms.

a lot is a subjective term. More teenagers have sex these days than not.

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This is not the first study done to show the obvious fact that kids will, in general, have sex despite their parents wanting them not to.

It's also not the first one to show that the more information that teens have the better the chances are of them not having sex, or at least protecting themselves better.

Mr. Scot, I understand where you are coming from, but the problem is that not everyone is as great a parent as you, but we all have to bear the costs of this issue. Some parents are actually NOT good at talking about sex with their kids, religious or not. Facts are, teens usually don't respond well to lecturing, and being told not to do something "because it's wrong" is, overall, not a great stategery for a 16 year old.

To me, if God didn't want us to have sex before marriage, he would have engineered us to drop our testicles upon the scent of cut wedding cake.

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Like I said, if the parents want to opt out, have at it.

All I'm totally against is the silly "abstinence only" programs.

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You just need to put the kids in a class with a sideshow of Keith Richard's and Courtney Love's genitals over the years.

Problem Solved.

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Yeah, but they may never eat oysters again either. Are we willing to take that risk?

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I'm now dreading the arrival of the roast beef sandwich I just ordered. Thanks Zod.

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