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Israel Starts Ground Offensive in Gaza in Bid to Halt Rockets


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Posted 04 January 2009 - 04:33 PM

These people have been fighting for thousands of years and I don't see an end in sight. It all started with a guy named Abraham.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 04:35 PM

These people have been fighting for thousands of years and I don't see an end in sight. It all started with a guy named Abraham.


I knew there was another reason I didn't like John Abraham. :)

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 04:46 PM

BTW, does anyone here actually know when the US started providing major economic and military assistance to Israel, and the primary reason why? I will give you a hint. It wasn't because of Right wing republican or religious support, and it wasn't started by a republican president.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 04:49 PM

Hilarious that someone defends the election of Hamas. Stunning in fact.
And this seems to be the only way for the Muslims to get fired up enough to publicly protests.
Talk about kool aid drinkers.

If Hamas was all that in terms of a political voice they would, you know, TALK more.
But these guys are like a bad drunk. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again expecting something new to happen.

And we have all said it, both sides are too blame. But take a step back and view this objectively.
Finally, what makes this even DUMBER and more insane is Hamas not only keeps doing the same dumb stuff over and over again, but they literally bring a knife to a gun fight.
Hamas and the Palenstinians need a MLK like figure because all the choices they have chosen ain't working out too well.
I have suggested this book a thousand times but read Longitudes and Attitudes by Thomas Friedman.
Get a clearer perspective on this.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 05:04 PM

The reason we started supporting Israel in a big way had more to do with the Soviets than anything else.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 05:34 PM

The reason we started supporting Israel in a big way had more to do with the Soviets than anything else.



Not really. Economic and military support to Israel and Egypt were a part of the Camp David Peace accords. US government support prior to that time was mostly diplomatic in nature.

The Israelis did use some american military equipment prior to the camp david accords, but up till then, the majority of Israeli military equipment was from France or some other European nation. And it was mostly paid for in cash, not a discounted government assistance package.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 05:46 PM

Not really. Economic and military support to Israel and Egypt were a part of the Camp David Peace accords. US government support prior to that time was mostly diplomatic in nature.

The Israelis did use some american military equipment prior to the camp david accords, but up till then, the majority of Israeli military equipment was from France or some other European nation. And it was mostly paid for in cash, not a discounted government assistance package.


A voice of reason in this "blame it on Israel" thread?

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 05:55 PM

It's not a 'blame Israel' thread. It's the 'we don't buy the 1984-like vocabulary in reporting on the conflict' thread.

And why do people seem to think that:

A) People don't know that the PLO and Hamas are run by crooks
B) This in turns justifies Israel's barbaric treatment of the Palistians.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:25 PM

It's not a 'blame Israel' thread. It's the 'we don't buy the 1984-like vocabulary in reporting on the conflict' thread.

And why do people seem to think that:

A) People don't know that the PLO and Hamas are run by crooks
B) This in turns justifies Israel's barbaric treatment of the Palistians.


Is Israel's treatment Barbaric? They blocked the borders in order to convince Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israeli territory. It wasn't the right move, but it certainly wasn't barbaric. Eventually they responded with military force, which Hamas leaders expected, and some probably wanted, in order to garner more support from its Arab neighbors.

I think that some in Hamas want Israel's Arab neighbors to renounce the Camp David accords and attack Israel. They would love to see a more radical government come to power in Egypt and other nations.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:51 PM

Is Israel's treatment Barbaric? They blocked the borders in order to convince Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israeli territory. It wasn't the right move, but it certainly wasn't barbaric. Eventually they responded with military force, which Hamas leaders expected, and some probably wanted, in order to garner more support from its Arab neighbors.
I think that some in Hamas want Israel's Arab neighbors to renounce the Camp David accords and attack Israel. They would love to see a more radical government come to power in Egypt and other nations.



Game set and match. This is EXACTLY what Hamas wants. So does Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc. :mad2: