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Better Secondary:Panthers or Saints?

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Was just reading this and it got me thinking. Who has the better secondary in 2010?

[QUOTE]The Saints' duo of Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter allowed one quarterback all last year to record a passer rating of higher than 80.0 when both cornerbacks were in the starting lineup.

It was Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl (88.5 rating), and Porter had the game-winning pick six off of him in the fourth quarter. Greer, quietly, emerged last season as a shutdown corner, and Porter wasn't far off. If the duo stays healthy this year, the Saints' pass defense will be a matchup to avoid.[/QUOTE]
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in past years carolina would've won this hands down, but the saints made the secondary a priority last year and it paid off for them. to me it entirely depends on how the safety position in carolina shakes out, and how effective sharper can be this year in new orleans. these are both questions we won't know the answer to until at least the end of preseason, and likely until 3-4 games into the regular season.

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I'll need to see how our pass rush looks this year, as I think it will have quite an effect on how our secondary looks. Right now, I give the edge to the Saints.

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the panther's secondary was ranked 4th in the NFL last season IIRC. the saints had good production from they're secondary, but it was mainly because the offense scored so many points, that they're opponents were forced to throw the ball, making them one-dimentional.

of course the stats still count, but what i am saying is that if carolina had scored so many points on offense that they forced opponents to throw the ball, then our secondary would have improved as well. ours is better, even with the young guys.
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Yup, as others have said the safety play is the big ? for us this year.

Sharper had a great year, so you would have to give him the edge over any of our safeties at the moment, but I would take Gamble and Marshall over anything they have hands down.

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It goes to us because...

CAR Pass Yd Ranking - 4th [COLOR="Green"]+22[/COLOR]
NO Pass Yd Ranking - 26th

And don't give me the, "Well it doesn't matter because they intercepted their opponent before they got in the endzone! Something that Carolina can't do!" because...

CAR Int. Ranking - 5th [COLOR="Red"]-2[/COLOR]
NO Int. Ranking - 3rd

and

CAR Opp. Pass TD Ranking - 2nd [COLOR="Green"]+3[/COLOR]
NO Opp. Pass TD Ranking - 5th

And please don't say, "At least the Saints safeties don't give up the big play! Ahem...CAROLINA!" because...

CAR Opp. 40+ Yd Pass Ranking - 8th [COLOR="green"]+16[/COLOR]
NO Opp. 40+ Yd Pass Ranking - 24th

and

CAR Opp. 20+ Yd Pass Ranking - 6th [COLOR="green"]+13[/COLOR]
NO Opp. 20+ Yd Pass Ranking - 19th

Carolina = [COLOR="Green"]+52[/COLOR]

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BOTH Saints safetys made the Pro Bowl, one as a starter.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8155c2fa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true[/url]

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[quote name='Phil Dees']BOTH Saints safetys made the Pro Bowl, one as a starter.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8155c2fa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true[/url][/QUOTE]

so what? the question isn't who has the best safeties, its who has the best secondary, and until proven otherwise, its the Panthers. the numbers don't lie. poll unnecessary

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[quote name='dpantherman09']so what? the question isn't who has the best safeties, its who has the best secondary, and until proven otherwise, its the Panthers. the numbers don't lie. poll unnecessary[/QUOTE]

Well several of the previous posters said it depended on the safety play. So there.

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[quote name='PhillyB']in past years carolina would've won this hands down, but the saints made the secondary a priority last year and it paid off for them. to me it entirely depends on how the safety position in carolina shakes out, and how effective sharper can be this year in new orleans. these are both questions we won't know the answer to until at least the end of preseason, and likely until 3-4 games into the regular season.[/QUOTE]

agree with this. Gamble and Marshall make for a better corner tandem, but it will all depend how the safety situation/pass rush pans out. I'm going with the Saints right now, but Carolina has the potential to be good. Potential doesn't always work out on the field, though.

[quote name='Phil Dees']BOTH Saints safetys made the Pro Bowl, one as a starter.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8155c2fa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true[/url][/QUOTE]

Pro bowl is a popularity contest and nothing more. Vince Young and Garrard made the pro bowl last year lol.

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[quote name='kennypowers30'] Vince Young and Garrard made the pro bowl last year lol.[/QUOTE]

Replacing Manning and Brady.

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[quote name='Phil Dees']Replacing Manning and Brady.[/QUOTE]

My point is that fan voting all star games = a disaster and is in no way an indicator for a players skill.

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[quote name='kennypowers30']My point is that fan voting all star games = a disaster and is in no way an indicator for a players skill.[/QUOTE]

OK, I don't want to see any more posts saying D-Will is a Pro-Bowler then. :rolleyes:

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When Harris was there I would say CAR, but I think NO has better safeties while CAR has better CBs

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[quote name='Phil Dees']OK, I don't want to see any more posts saying D-Will is a Pro-Bowler then. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I should have said it's not [U]always[/U] an indicator.

Want an example of how 'legit' the pro bowl is? where was D-Will in 2008 when he broke 1500 yards on less than 300 carries, scored a league high 18 touchdowns, and ZERO fumbles?

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[quote name='Phil Dees']Well several of the previous posters said it depended on the safety play. So there.[/QUOTE]

eh, what do they know?

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Well, honestly, I think you kinda have to give it to the Saints. Sure we did pretty well against he pass last year, but the situations both had to endure were completely different. We had extreme problems stopping the run early last year, so our stats are always going to be a bit skewed.

We have one unknown in Martin, Godfrey who everyone wants to destroy, Gamble and Marshall who most think has under performed. When the Saints secondary was healthy, they were genuinely very good, just that they were rarely healthy. They fixed this with two high picks in the last two drafts on the secondary. Our secondary has only lost players...

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[quote name='Urrymonster']Well, honestly, I think you kinda have to give it to the Saints. Sure we did pretty well against he pass last year, but the situations both had to endure were completely different. W[B]e had extreme problems stopping the run early last year,[/B] so our stats are always going to be a bit skewed.

We have one unknown in Martin, Godfrey who everyone wants to destroy, Gamble and Marshall who most think has under performed. When the Saints secondary was healthy, they were genuinely very good, just that they were rarely healthy. They fixed this with two high picks in the last two drafts on the secondary. Our secondary has only lost players...[/QUOTE]

Have you seen the Saints run defense? try again

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and i keep hearing uncertainty with our safteties (even though one has started and showed improvement, and the other played well in his debut w/ Chris Harris out), is there not uncertainty with Darren Sharper? did he not just come off on knee surgery?
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I mean to be fair, the saints have to play Steve Smith twice a year.... Who wouldn't have a terrible secondary???? :D

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[quote name='dpantherman09']and i keep hearing uncertainty, is there not uncertainty with Darren Sharper? did he not just come off on knee surgery?[/QUOTE]

yea there is, but one thing the Saints have for certain is a legitimate pass rush. we don't(although like I said, potential is there.)

secondary talent doesn't matter when the QB has absolutely zero pressure on him.

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[quote name='Phil Dees']BOTH Saints safetys made the Pro Bowl, one as a starter.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8155c2fa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true[/url][/QUOTE]thanks for bringing a popularity contest into this debate. That is the facts we needed to clear up any misunderstanding!:rolleyes:

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[quote name='dpantherman09'] poll unnecessary[/QUOTE]

That's what she said. :(

[quote name='dpantherman09']and i keep hearing uncertainty, is there not uncertainty with Darren Sharper? did he not just come off on knee surgery?[/QUOTE]

There was uncertainty surrounding Sharper [I]before[/I] last season. I'm just sayin'.

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[quote name='Phil Dees']BOTH Saints safetys made the Pro Bowl, one as a starter.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8155c2fa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true[/url][/QUOTE]

So I suppose that John Stinchcomb, who also made the Pro Bowl, is better than Jeff Otah because Otah did not make the Pro Bowl. I guess Johnathan Vilma being voted to the Pro Bowl ahead of Jon Beason makes him a better player also.

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[quote name='Phil Dees']OK, I don't want to see any more posts saying D-Will is a Pro-Bowler then. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
was this your whole point? gawd, you bring much weak sauce to our forum.

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