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#106 Urrymonster

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:16 PM

Point still stands that "vet mentors" are overrated and it is the job of the QB coach and OC to prepare the QB to play. Favre knows this, Smith knows this, plenty of people do. Oh well. Bring on Volek :(


Complete opinion.

There are loads of stories about players taking young players 'under their wing', so for you to casually dismiss it is kinda bizarre.

The thing you seem to be over looking that most players make friends on the roster with other players, not too many get to that level of friendship with any coaches. That is kinda the difference between what a mentor on the roster can do, as the younger player feels like he has someone he can go to at all times.
For coaches they have to distance themselves to a degree due to the level of turnover on the rosters.

Whilst it's not the most significant aspect to having a QB on the roster, but it's certainly beneficial if the old guy is actually welcoming to the other QBs.

Again, having someone who can play and mentor is great, but right now I do not see anyone who can. This is all based on the FO wanting to give Clausen the shot, if not then we can bring in an Alex Smith type to compete.


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You also chose two of the most self centred players in the history of the NFL as examples as how mentors are over rated. DWill took Stew under his wing, how did that turn out?

Edited by Urrymonster, 13 January 2011 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:23 PM

To be fair, DWill knew Stew was good for his career not bad for it.

I never said having one was a bad thing, but people on here are saying "OMG Clausen had no vet mentor, I can't believe you guys expected him to do anything well" and "How could he look any better with no vet mentor" and blah blah blah. The point was that it's overrated and has no relation to success. Sure other players might say it's nice to have but I don't think there is ever a case where it 100% made the difference between good and bad.

I guess people reaching for a "vet mentor' is what is bugging me. It's honestly just a lame excuse that people are using as a defense of Clausen's play.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:25 PM

That's fine

Hasslebeck is reportedly going back to Seattle
McCown has just as little game experience as Volek
Bulger is pointless bringing here to start, so would be just as useful as Volek
Collins isn't the sort of mentor I would want to bring in.

You get so aggressive about Billy Volek yet completely ignore the fact that teams have wanted him on their 3 QB roster rather than going elsewhere. He HAS to be good off the field, otherwise teams would have waved goodbye a long time ago. If you are going for a mentor that is exactly what you want, not someone who might win a game or two. All you want from him is to instil some good practice off the field and pass on as much of his work ethic as possible.

You don't want the most talent as a mentor, you want the best teacher.

bulger as useless as volek? lol. the dude has actually won games and played whole seasons. you want someone with experience? thats him. i didn't say anything about starting. you want someone who has actually spent time playing to help bring guys along.

what exactly makes volek a good teacher? nothing except for you to find a reason to bring him here. you're reaching at best. he's a weak choice for any reason. saying that kerry collins isn't a better choice than volek is hilarious. do you know why volek left the titans? after mcnair was traded, volek had the opportunity to start and started screwing around, not taking advantage of the situation. fisher wasn't happy with volek's dedication so they brought in collins to compete for the job. volek got his poor little feelings hurt and asked for a trade. the titans were upset with him because he showed very little commitment to preparing for the season and was criticized for his poor work ethic. on top of that fisher said he lied to him about something. he got traded to the chargers for a 6th round pick.

sorry, i don't see him as being any more commited to playing the game or any better of a mentor than collins. again, i'm no fan of collins, but given a choice between the two i'm going with collins.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:25 PM

The thing that bothers me about him and guys like him is, WHO IS HE? Really... I just don't have a good feeling when these guys come out of nowhere and are just riding a wave of hype based off of mainly one year of work.

What I mean is, they may be a JR., but they're only known for playing really well and being a top NFL prospect for one year, they don't have a thorough resume, and he just doesn't impress me. Maybe he has it, but I doubt it.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:26 PM

i just wonder why fans here seem content to dig around other teams scrap heaps digging through failed projects hoping to find some hidden gem. it's a futile effort and one that will keep this team on the bottom for a long time.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:47 PM

bulger as useless as volek? lol. the dude has actually won games and played whole seasons. you want someone with experience? thats him. i didn't say anything about starting. you want someone who has actually spent time playing to help bring guys along.

what exactly makes volek a good teacher? nothing except for you to find a reason to bring him here. you're reaching at best. he's a weak choice for any reason. saying that kerry collins isn't a better choice than volek is hilarious. do you know why volek left the titans? after mcnair was traded, volek had the opportunity to start and started screwing around, not taking advantage of the situation. fisher wasn't happy with volek's dedication so they brought in collins to compete for the job. volek got his poor little feelings hurt and asked for a trade. the titans were upset with him because he showed very little commitment to preparing for the season and was criticized for his poor work ethic. on top of that fisher said he lied to him about something. he got traded to the chargers for a 6th round pick.

sorry, i don't see him as being any more commited to playing the game or any better of a mentor than collins. again, i'm no fan of collins, but given a choice between the two i'm going with collins.



IMO I would not mind bringing in Volek and Bulger if we dont draft a QB and are set on working with Clausen. Just sit Clausen, Let Volek play, and have Bulger as a backup mentor. Pike goes to the PS squad IMO.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:48 PM

http://sportsillustr....html?eref=sihp

Andrew Perloff's Mock from SI has us taking Gabbert with the first pick.

For some context Perloff is one of the Danettes on the Dan Patrick show. He's Mclovin. I have a hard time taking him seriously though.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:49 PM

why not concentrate on getting clausen some competition rather than a "mentor"?

don't you guys want to win?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:52 PM

why not concentrate on getting clausen some competition rather than a "mentor"?

don't you guys want to win?



Just depends on what approach we take. I want Newton but that dose not mean the cookie will crumble that way.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:53 PM

The thing that bothers me about him and guys like him is, WHO IS HE? Really... I just don't have a good feeling when these guys come out of nowhere and are just riding a wave of hype based off of mainly one year of work.

What I mean is, they may be a JR., but they're only known for playing really well and being a top NFL prospect for one year, they don't have a thorough resume, and he just doesn't impress me. Maybe he has it, but I doubt it.


He was a good prospect last year. He just wasn't going out so he didn't get a ton of press. He had some good numbers though. He has been a highly touted player for some time and there was never any doubt the NFL was in his future if he continued to develop, and heh as.

Gabbert's rise is not at all based on one year but on his last one as well. *shrugs*

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:56 PM

He was a good prospect last year. He just wasn't going out so he didn't get a ton of press. He had some good numbers though. He has been a highly touted player for some time and there was never any doubt the NFL was in his future if he continued to develop, and heh as.

Gabbert's rise is not at all based on one year but on his last one as well. *shrugs*


I admit, I'm not as familiar with the midwestern/Big 12 teams as I am with others, but I had heard of him... I just didn't hear all of the hype until this year. Whereas, with a guy like Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, etc. I had heard of well before they came out and they were established in college. Only successful guy of recent memory that I remember being another guy that just kind of "blew up" from one year in college was Ben Roethlisberger.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:59 PM

Oh my God, you keep beating the same old drum. We have NOTHING to trade for him. They want a 2nd, where the hell do we pull that from?


everyone on this forum said Marshall wouldn't go for anything less than 2 1st round picks.. all those people look like fools now. just sayin. ;)

someone smart in the FO could find a solution.. only fools look at a situation and find reasons why they can't do something.

the same old drum is the best solution, the FO just has to put a little effort in..

Edited by bleys, 13 January 2011 - 04:02 PM.


#118 Urrymonster

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:02 PM

bulger as useless as volek? lol. the dude has actually won games and played whole seasons. you want someone with experience? thats him. i didn't say anything about starting. you want someone who has actually spent time playing to help bring guys along.

what exactly makes volek a good teacher? nothing except for you to find a reason to bring him here. you're reaching at best. he's a weak choice for any reason. saying that kerry collins isn't a better choice than volek is hilarious. do you know why volek left the titans? after mcnair was traded, volek had the opportunity to start and started screwing around, not taking advantage of the situation. fisher wasn't happy with volek's dedication so they brought in collins to compete for the job. volek got his poor little feelings hurt and asked for a trade. the titans were upset with him because he showed very little commitment to preparing for the season and was criticized for his poor work ethic. on top of that fisher said he lied to him about something. he got traded to the chargers for a 6th round pick.

sorry, i don't see him as being any more commited to playing the game or any better of a mentor than collins. again, i'm no fan of collins, but given a choice between the two i'm going with collins.


Fair enough I wasn't aware of that.

When I was talking about Bulger I was talking about him starting, which is what you were complaining about in the prior post. Obviously if you want a mentor, you would go Bulger before Volek.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:03 PM

Gabbert is NOT the answer to our problems, IMO

We need a FA QB

...Just not Vince Young

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:07 PM

Gamble the pick just cause we have to draft qb #1 Overall?

Glad our front office is smarter than that.


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