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#16 JawnyBlaze

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 06:30 PM

Well, I'll voice my issues with the scenario then I'll play along. First, I also don't think we'd get that much to move down to the 5th this year. The value chart isn't that concrete. The NY-SD trade has crossed my mind recently as a precedent to use but I think the Giants were more in love with/desperate for Eli than Arizona or anyone will be in Cam. Second, I see little to no chance we trade Steve Smith. There has been no actual indication that he wants that. There has only been baseless speculation from the media quoting random league people who may or may not even have anything to do with the Panthers. Steve ain't going anywhere. Neither is DeAngelo. Ain't happening, and even if it did it wouldn't be a trade. He'd just sign elsewhere. And EVEN if we were able to do a sign and trade, we'd get more than two 3rds... Back to the draft pick trades, I think the trade could happen if you take out the 1st next year. Our #1 for their #5 + 2nd round + 3rd round.

On to the question at hand, IF they did make a huge mistake and trade Smitty, AJ Green is the pick. No question. Since we WOULDN'T trade Smitty or Deangelo, the #5 comes down to Green or Peterson (assuming you got the 4 picks before right). I still say we take Green, unless something about the evaluation process tells the FO Peterson is a significantly better prospect than Green. Smitty will be a Panther for the duration of his career, but that is only 3 or 4 more years probably. Better to get Green to complete our talented young WR corps. Let he and Smitty start (with Smitty sliding into the slot on 3 WR plays) and proceed to find greater success in our problem area - Offense and passing game in particular.

Also, I think Phil Taylor will be gone before our 3rd round pick. He's supposed to be the top NT in the draft. If we got Arizona's 2nd round pick, I've seen Kyle Rudolph go in most rounds in that range, he'd be a good pick there. If not Rudolph, Marvin Austin *might* last until our 3rd round pick, but grabbing him with #37 wouldn't be a bad pick. Local guy that probably woulda gone 1st round if not for the suspension. If it were to work out that we get Green at #5, Rudolph at #37, and Austin at #65, the rest of the draft can be mostly BPA. Maybe grab an O-lineman with #69 (good omen there, Gross's number) and Devlin or Kaepernick (or however you spell it) with our comp pick at the end of the 3rd. With our 4th we should take the top kicker. We're gonna need one, sooner rather than later.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 06:39 PM

I had something very simmilar to this in my mockdraft I think the 2.0 version.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 06:43 PM

How do you know Az wants Newton "in the worst way"?

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 06:48 PM

If anything i think ARZ wants a vet. QB. Someone to replace Warner. If i were them i would focus on a trade with Cinci for Palmer instead of some questionable rookie.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 06:55 PM

I think that's part of the "hypothetical" in the title.

How do you know Az wants Newton "in the worst way"?



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Posted 19 February 2011 - 07:30 PM

I like moving down to 5th overall... a lot. I would be fine with the Cards 1st, 2nd and 3rd for the no.1 overall. But I would also want a 2nd rounder for Smitty. And probably the same for D-lo.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 07:50 PM

I just don't see Denver wanting Newton. Teabag played well enough down the stretch that they don't need to take a shot at Newton. Plus, do you really see Fox trading up for a QB at #1. No way. They will stand pat and take the best DL left.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 08:11 PM

Arizona wants Newton in the worst possible way. They see that Denver could trade with Miami, Washington, or Tennessee, and Buffalo or Cincinnati are likely to take Newton before the 5th pick. So they decide to trade up to assure them of getting Newton. They call Marty, still sensitive about getting horse-laughed for trading up for a small school QB exactly a year earlier. "Marty, we would like to trade up. We offer you our first (5th overall), our second (35th overall) and third (66th overall) rounders and our first rounder in 2012. (That is about equal trade value when compared to previous years and the commonly accepted trade chart)."

Marty makes the trade.

Now we have the 5th pick. Newton goes first, then Fairley, then Bowers, then a surprise-Quinn fourth.

The Panthers are on the clock. The Panthers have the following high on their board: AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Marcell Dareus, and Blaine Gabbert.

Oh yeah. The Panthers decided to trade Steve Smith--Rivera wanted him out and SS wanted to go. They are given the 60th overall pick (New England) in a trade. They are also trading Deangelo Williams to the Dolphins for their third rounder and a conditional pick no lower than a third rounder in 2012.


Who would you pick?


I would pick Cam Newton number one overall. And tell Arizona I can't make that trade because it wouldn't be fair to you. That would be the worst trade Arizona ever made.

I have been pimping Cam Newton like crazy on this board. If we had the 5th pick and somebody said we are trading our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and next years 1st to get Newton. I wouldn't say a word and just slap that person across the face.

But for the sake of the thread, I would probably go Green. Especially if Smith is gone. Pick up a DT at 35th (possibly Austin), after that I would use nearly every pick left on offense (maybe a CB somewhere there is usually decent value late at that position), try to convince Moore to a short term contract, and hope Clausen progresses or that a strong QB class comes through next year.

But we need to pick Newton.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 08:54 PM

MHS831: This seems like a Madden trade scenario but if you say so... I would pick Peterson/Green/ in that order if they were available I guess....

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 09:32 PM

Deangelos a free agent

#26 jasonluckydog

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 09:38 PM

We have Matt Moore Posted Image

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 11:30 PM

Deangelos a free agent

i'm guessing he got tagged...one of the RFA tags.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 11:39 PM

i would pick green in that scenario and we wouldn't have to trade smith away for that.

we had by far the worst offense in the league. it doesn't make sense to follow that with drafting a defensive guy.

i would go out and try to find some young vet QB or two with experience and let them compete with jimmy (and maybe moore if we kept him around) for the starting gig. with any luck we'll find our franchise guy among those guys. if not then we'll probably be back in the top 5 again next year and we'll draft either luck or barkley.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 07:49 AM

I would pick Cam Newton number one overall. And tell Arizona I can't make that trade because it wouldn't be fair to you. That would be the worst trade Arizona ever made.

I have been pimping Cam Newton like crazy on this board. If we had the 5th pick and somebody said we are trading our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and next years 1st to get Newton. I wouldn't say a word and just slap that person across the face.

But for the sake of the thread, I would probably go Green. Especially if Smith is gone. Pick up a DT at 35th (possibly Austin), after that I would use nearly every pick left on offense (maybe a CB somewhere there is usually decent value late at that position), try to convince Moore to a short term contract, and hope Clausen progresses or that a strong QB class comes through next year. There are many variations. First, you could swap firsts, and get their second rounder, but they have multiple needs too. So you allow them to give you there first and second in 2012.


But we need to pick Newton.


You do realize that if the Cardinals wanted the first pick, it would cost about that much, don't you? I stated that earlier in detail. I can't believe it either, but this is why we def. need to trade down. I think it would be smart to get the first in 2012 with any team interested in trading up for Newton. THis gives us 1/16 of a chance to get Luck next season.

Edited by MHS831, 20 February 2011 - 08:04 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2011 - 07:58 AM

MHS831: This seems like a Madden trade scenario but if you say so... I would pick Peterson/Green/ in that order if they were available I guess....


I don't play Madden --Take a look at the history of first round trades and what teams got--it will amaze you. If I have the opportunity to solve your problems at QB (in this scenario, the franchise QB you have been seeking since the franchise lost Jake Plummer, (Warner was a semi-retired drifter who got his second wind), you consider this deal.

Here is the Cards QB situation since moving to the desert:

Neil Lomax (14 games started) 1988
Cliff Stoudt (2) 1988
Gary Hogeboom (13) 1989
Tom Tupa (13) 1989-91
Timm Rosenbach (20) 1989-92(missed all of '91 with knee injury)
Stan Gelbaugh (3) 1991
Chris Chandler (17) 1991-93
Steve Beuerline (21) 1993-94
Jay Schreoder (8) 1994
Jim McMahon (1) 1994
Dave Kreig (16) 1995
Boomer Esiason (8) 1996
Kent Graham (14) 1996-97
Stoney Case (1) 1995-98
Jake Plummer (73) 1997-2002
Dave Brown (7) 1998-2001
Jeff Blake (13) 2003
Josh McCown (22) 2002-2005
Shaun King (2) 2004
John Navarre (1) 2004-06
Matt Leinart (16) 2006-present
Kurt Warner (52) 2005-present

If they really like Newton, they will pull the trigger and make the trade. Gabbert and Mallett are dropping into the second rounds. Ponder may creep into the first round. Unless they like a longshot like Kaepernick, Newton is the pick.


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