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#1 MHS831

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:38 AM

Hater here, but I see Cam's potential. He could be great. I get it. But think of the organization as a whole, and the situation they are in and the opportunity they have. Read this entirely and objectively and comment, but not if you don't read it to the end and interpret it correctly. THIS IS A LOOK AT HIS OPTIONS and an example is used to illustrate an alternative to drafting Cam that still gets us a top quality franchise QB by the time Cam would be ready to play. THESE ARE THE FACTS, as best we can tell.

1. Hurney thinks Clausen was not given a fair shake and could develop into a starting NFL QB. It does not matter if you disagree or what the coaches/rest of front office think, this is what Hurney thinks. Move forward.

2. (Hypothetically, but would not be surprising) Washington calls. They offer Hurney their first and second rounders in 2011 and 2012 for the first pick. Hurney would be a fool not to do this. (Yes, this is what it would take them to move up--very in line with other drafts) Here is why-

First, he gets the 10th and the 41st picks in this year's draft. Secondly, if he seriously thinks Clausen has a shot at starting in the NFL, you give him the year. Not that he is crowned starter, but you bring in a veteran and Moore. Clausen has to fight for a job like last year. If he rises like Marty thinks he will, we have a QB. If not, you have Moore (who had a QB rating over 90 before last year's train wreck) and you pay for a guy like Hasselbeck or McNabb, --something like that.

You have to remember, Cam Newton may be a star, but it won't happen in 2011. It will take time. We took DE Quinn at #10 and Paea DT at #41, for example. They play now.

Lets say Hurney was wrong and Clausen fails. You still have a veteran and Moore on the roster. Clausen drops to #3 or is traded.

Was Hurney REALLY wrong? There are potentially 3 QBs in the 2012 draft who will be ready about as soon as Cam Newton or even sooner. We have a veteran and Moore on the roster. Lets say we go 8-8 next season and earn the 15th pick. QBs who declared for the 2012 draft: Andrew Luck, Landri Jones, and Matt Barkley. YOU HAVE WASHINGTON's FIRST & SECOND ROUNDERS. Package the Panther first with the Washington Picks and trade up. I am guessing the Skins will suck again this season, so you should easily have enough to move into the top 3. I mean, would we take the 8th and 15th pick in this year's draft? YES. So, you are not abandoning the idea of getting a franchise QB, you table it for a year. Washington's picks are insurance in the event Clausen continues to struggle. Then you know. In addition, you get a stud franchise QB in 2012 if you are wrong in 2011. If you are right and Clausen develops, or Moore, or your veteran takes off, then you have 2 firsts and 2 seconds in 2012.

This is how New England stays ahead of the curve. I am not even suggesting that we will not have a franchise QB under center by 2012. We will. Cam will not be ready until then, so we may never feel the impact of passing on a franchise QB.

Cam may be the best QB in this year's draft, but give him a year in a pro system to develop and put him back into the draft and 2012 (if you could), and I doubt he goes before Luck, Landri and possibly Barkley.

So when you say, "Draft Cam", you have to consider what you would get for him in a trade, how long he will take to develop, and that the extra picks in 2012 give you the coin to move up and get about any player in the draft next year. In addition, your don't short sell a current QB who needs a year in a normal setting to show the GM what he can actually do.

If the Cats get an offer for the pick, I would make sure a #1 in 2012 was part of the deal for this reason.

Edited by MHS831, 11 March 2011 - 09:41 AM.


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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:41 AM

We still doing this? who you trying to convince?

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:43 AM

I like the idea of the second option mainly because being a Carolina fan, I am bias toward Robert Quinn and think he is something special. However, I really hate to assume someone is going to try and trade up with us until there are actually any legs to the rumor.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:44 AM

I must admit, I love the Panthers and I love the draft... but I'm all drafted out at this point. I've resolved to sit back, keep my mouth shut and wait to see what happens on April 28th.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:45 AM

We still doing this? who you trying to convince?


Don't comment. I know you didn't read it, it was too long.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:49 AM

I must admit, I love the Panthers and I love the draft... but I'm all drafted out at this point. I've resolved to sit back, keep my mouth shut and wait to see what happens on April 28th.


I am with you. When you try to offer a different perspective on something, the closed-minded GED sholars come out to troll because it causes less stress on their brains than to consider another opinion objectively.

To me, Hurney's decision is crucial. There will be offers. That is the story here. What will he do?
Not what any of us would do.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:49 AM

Well if this is all Hurney's decision, then I'm sure the anti Cam crowd will be very happy because the Panthers won't be drafting any QB at #1. Of course, that may happen anyway, but I sure hope that Rivera has at least an equal say in the matter.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:50 AM

The Panthers are a QB away from being a very competitive team.......

Rivera would be dumb to not make moves at QB to start his journey.....that doesn't mean draft Cam. But he is gonna do something besides bring back Moore/Clausen/Pike. Only 1 of those 3 looks to fit Chud's mentality he needs in a QB to begin with.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:51 AM

The Panthers are a QB away from being a very competitive team.......

Rivera would be dumb to not make moves at QB to start his journey.....


Yeah, but it may not be up to Rivera.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:51 AM

You cannot run your draft this year thinking about who may declare in next year's draft, especially if you just came off a 2-14 season and have the worst QB roster in the league.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:53 AM

The Panthers are a QB away from being a very competitive team.......

Rivera would be dumb to not make moves at QB to start his journey.....


Bringing in a vet, seeing if Clausen and Moore have anything, and accumulating picks to move up in the 2012 draft to get a franchise QB is a move. Cam will be ready in 2012 too.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:54 AM

The Panthers are a QB away from being a very competitive team.......

Rivera would be dumb to not make moves at QB to start his journey.....


You can tell everyone you want that on this board, however it won't matter.

There are still people who refuse to believe that we need a QB when our offense was dead last in every catergory last year.

If Patrick Peterson or Marcell Dareus could get us 14 to 21 points a game by playing amazing defense then I would be fine with either one of them, however I don't see that happening.

Cam Newton or any other QB is more likely to put points on the board than any defensive in this draft.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:54 AM

Yeah, but it may not be up to Rivera.


I think Rivera has a lot more pull going into this season than many are assuming. Carolina is going in a new direction.......you can't do that w/o letting the guy driving the ship have a lot of initial power. I think once the CBA thing is resolved we will see that.....I think Shockey is an example.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:57 AM

Im fine with PP, Dareus, or Cam Newton. I read the whole thing and am now regretting it. Who the hell knows if Cam newton will be a bust or a great player in the NFL. Who really knows if Andrew Luck will either? Because if you really do please give me the next numbers for the Mega Million Jackpot...thanx!!

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:59 AM

I think Rivera has a lot more pull going into this season than many are assuming. Carolina is going in a new direction.......you can't do that w/o letting the guy driving the ship have a lot of initial power. I think once the CBA thing is resolved we will see that.....I think Shockey is an example.

Good point about Shockey...

Also with Hurney stating QB is a #1 need we have no idea how he feels about the draft no matter if he likes Clausen or not. Real competition brings out the best in players not all of them sucking collectively Moore vs Clausen vs Pike...


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