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In-State College Tuition for Illegal Immigrants

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all for your little racist ideology?

Grow up homie.

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sure, it's relatively simple.

the less money a person makes the higher percentage of their money they have to spend to make it through the year.

a person making 25,000 dollars a year is almost certainly not going to be putting money into a savings account, for example, or investing it in the stock market. Almost everything they make they'll have to spend, be it in the form of rent, groceries, car payments, repairs, clothes, etc. State depending, of course, due to different tax laws and exemptions and what not, all of this is going to be taxed through sales tax.

now of course it's not that simple. state by state, tax codes are very different, blah blah blah. with regard to illegal immigrants, it's impossible to know just what percentage they're sending back to their families in their original countries, if any at all. still, in the grand scheme of things, a lower class person is almost certainly going to be taxed on a higher percentage of their money than a person in the upper class.

I know from first hand experience that undocumented workers send a large majority of their income back home to their families in their native country.

When I was a rep for Sherwin Williams in Myrtle Beach after college, there were paint contractors whose illegal employees lived together in one house. Sometimes 12 guys. One month, one guy would pay all the bills. The rest of the year, he'd send his pay home and it would be the next guys turn. Most these guys got paid under the table, so no taxes were paid. I could list 10 large contractors whose laborers did this.

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So what's wrong with incentivizing someone being/becoming a productive citizen/business person?

nothing if you assume everyone starts off on a level playing field. of course that's a silly assumption to make.

also actively rewarding success is actively punishing failure.

Doesn't one's work merit the government doing more to help them succeed; especially if they're going to be paying more back into the system that funded it in the first place?

sure, if you're comfortable living in a plutocracy.

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If they are getting paid under the table, thats the employers issue. When the employers pay the way they are supposed to, these people pay wage taxes. They pay taxes on what they buy. I am sure that some people choose to live outside the law, but we have people here that do that as well.

Shame on you for supporting a company that supports illegal immigration. You should turn in your conservative secret decoder ring for being such a hypocrite.

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I like meritocracy better since the likes of Paris Hilton would be eliminated, but your Democrat friends are working hard to keep inheritance as a means of wealth accumulation to a minimum, so no worries. :)

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I know from first hand experience that undocumented workers send a large majority of their income back home to their families in their native country.

When I was a rep for Sherwin Williams in Myrtle Beach after college, there were paint contractors whose illegal employees lived together in one house. Sometimes 12 guys. One month, one guy would pay all the bills. The rest of the year, he'd send his pay home and it would be the next guys turn. Most these guys got paid under the table, so no taxes were paid. I could list 10 large contractors whose laborers did this.

you're assuming:

1. rent is their only expense

2. payroll tax is the only tax to be avoided

3. your anecdote has merit

all of these things are assuredly false.

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If they are getting paid under the table, thats the employers issue. When the employers pay the way they are supposed to, these people pay wage taxes. They pay taxes on what they buy. I am sure that some people choose to live outside the law, but we have people here that do that as well.

Shame on you for supporting a company that supports illegal immigration. You should turn in your conservative secret decoder ring for being such a hypocrite.

No longer work there. But it sure was eye opening to see how many people use undocumented workers.

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I don't feel one ounce of sorrow for an illegal immigrant trying to get something else for free. We already take care of them for free in our hospitals. The money they save on health care, they can use for college tuition.

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where do you think the money comes to pay for emergency room visits for people without insurance?

hint: it's something illegal immigrants pay

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I'm curious....since I don't know.....do illegal immigrants pay income tax?

How is that possible?

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I'm curious....since I don't know.....do illegal immigrants pay income tax?

How is that possible?

sales tax

illegal immigrants are also a large percentage of those that buy lottery tickets which are essentially a voluntary tax

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nothing if you assume everyone starts off on a level playing field. of course that's a silly assumption to make.

Of course that's a silly assumption. It's also silly to believe that's necessary. How do you explain so many immigrants coming here w/o even knowing the language and becoming successful? Life is not fair; don't waste your time trying to make it that way.

also actively rewarding success is actively punishing failure.

I'm fine with that.

I think Plutocracy is a little disingenuous. We have better upward mobility in this country than in most of the rest of the world. Many people come here because their own country suffers under what's closer to being considered a plutocracy. No matter where you are in the world, the rich will always try to buy influence.

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:lol:

:lurk5: Ohh, this is a good one.

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If there paying money to do so, even if it's at a reduced rate, then doesn't that help our system in America. Both short term and long term gains. They become citizens by paying there way through school and work in our work force as legal citizens. It helps someone who is going to be here one way or another and turns them into a citizen who will pay income tax plus state tax regardless. It looks like a win - win as far as I'm concerned.

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It's also silly to believe that's necessary. How do you explain so many immigrants coming here w/o even knowing the language and becoming successful?

irrelevant when compared to the vastly superior numbers of immigrants that toil here and die young and poor.

I think Plutocracy is a little disingenuous. We have better upward mobility in this country than in most of the rest of the world.

actually american social mobility is at its lowest point since the 1930s, and on par with iran.

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It looks like a win - win as far as I'm concerned.

sure, but now think about this and apply it through the filter of a strict, borderline racist, ideologically stringent world view allergic to rational thought.

WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW

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If this deal truly stipulates that they must be pursuing citizenship to get these tuition rates, I am for it. None of us is ever going to have it just as we'd like it. This seems like a fair compromise.

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illegal immigrants are also a large percentage of those that buy lottery tickets which are essentially a voluntary tax

My understanding of the murky waters that make up our state and federal tax distributions is limited.

My understanding is BOTH income tax AND state sales taxes go to fund healthcare for those that can't pay. This makes sense, since we all know that both the fed and states have sliding, slush-type funds rather than strict requirements for certain dollars to fund certain things. They SAY that the lottery, for example, goes to fund education and the tolls go to the roads, but here in Illinois we know that isn't how it really works.

So to say that illegals pay as much as legal residents for medical services thru taxation is disingenuous.

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If this deal truly stipulates that they must be pursuing citizenship to get these tuition rates, I am for it. None of us is ever going to have it just as we'd like it. This seems like a fair compromise.

Thats a reasonable conclusion.

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So to say that illegals pay as much as legal residents for medical services thru taxation is disingenuous.

i never said that.

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sure, but now think about this and apply it through the filter of a strict, borderline racist, ideologically stringent world view allergic to rational thought.

WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW

Well fiz, that's the difference between me and the world. I'm a rational person who isn't racist. So it's hard for me to think that way, but I would tend to think from that viewpoint, that it wouldn't be viewed as a good thing, even though it really is.

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irrelevant when compared to the vastly superior numbers of immigrants that toil here and die young and poor.

Not really, their quality of life is still vastly better here than it is wherever they came from. Many die with a car, clothes on their back, years of living with indoor plumbing. Just because they don't own a mansion or wield ridiculous levels of political influence doesn't mean they didn't achieve some greater level of success by coming here.

actually american social mobility is at its lowest point since the 1930s, and on par with iran.

link?

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Not really, their quality of life is still vastly better here than it is wherever they came from.

that's a gross generalization and you will find no evidence that it applies to a significant portion of the illegal immigrant population. actually many of them are quite literally slaves,

link?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/13/AR2007111301834.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

appropriate pdfs are found in that article if you want to dig.

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I hope we get in to the BS myth of the disappearing middle class now.

Hint: they are disappearing, the pseudointellectual libs just don't tell you WHERE they went.

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that's a gross generalization and you will find no evidence that it applies to a significant portion of the illegal immigrant population. actually many of them are quite literally slaves,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/13/AR2007111301834.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

appropriate pdfs are found in that article if you want to dig.

Talk about gross generalizations! "For two years, federal prosecutors claim, Vargas, along with Cesar, Geovanni, Jose, Villhina and Ismael Navarrete held more than a dozen people as slaves on their property. They made them sleep in box trucks and shacks, charged them for food and showers, didn't pay them for picking produce and beat them if they tried to leave."

Doesn't sound like it to me. I understand this is not a completely isolated case, but it's not an epidemic. I can walk out onto South Blvd and see two dozen illegals driving brand new F-150s.

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