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#46 bleys

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:49 PM

Is it better to have a QB that finds a way to win or a technically sound QB that cannot?


if you truly think The Golden Calf of Bristol has what it takes to win in the future, after defenses game plan against him over the offseason, then I guess you could include him into that question..


I want a QB who can win and is technically sound to some extent.. an extent much further away than The Golden Calf of Bristol finding ways to win only throwing the ball 8 times a game... (exaggerating a bit, minus one game)


I don't want to have to rely on a defense and a running game for 3 straight quarters before my QB tries to have a miraculous come back on the last drive in every game...



All I know is I would love to be a game back in our division after picking in the top of the draft.

Maybe we can hire their coach with the formula to win when we fire Rivera?


I like what you did there.. ;)

Edited by bleys, 28 November 2011 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:51 PM

One big huge positive for The Golden Calf of Bristol. 1 interception in 143 throws this year. Thats a big reason they are winning, no int's.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:51 PM

All I know is I would love to be a game back in our division after picking in the top of the draft.

Maybe we can hire their coach with the formula to win when we fire Rivera?


I was wondering if you could move out New Orleans, Atlanta and Tampa Bay and bring in San Diego, Oakland and Kansas City. Please?

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:52 PM

if you truly think The Golden Calf of Bristol has what it takes to win in the future, after defenses game plan against him over the offseason, then I guess you could include him into that question..


I have no idea whether The Golden Calf of Bristol "has what it takes to win in the future," but I know that he's doing a solid enough job of it right now. Does an NFL Defense really need a full offseason to gameplan for The Golden Calf of Bristol and that offensive playset? If so, then I would say that speaks volumes enough as to The Golden Calf of Bristol's effectiveness.

Mind you, I don't think an NFL Defense needs an offseason to gameplan a QB...

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:58 PM

The point of this thread (which I 100% agree with) is that The Golden Calf of Bristol is really only a small part of why they're winning... yeah he's a good leader and probably has given the team some hope, which is big... but their defense is winning games.

Comparing them to the Panthers, if we had a good defense, with the points Cam is putting up, we'd be winning.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:58 PM

I have no idea whether The Golden Calf of Bristol "has what it takes to win in the future," but I know that he's doing a solid enough job of it right now. Does an NFL Defense really need a full offseason to gameplan for The Golden Calf of Bristol and that offensive playset? If so, then I would say that speaks volumes enough as to The Golden Calf of Bristol's effectiveness.

Mind you, I don't think an NFL Defense needs an offseason to gameplan a QB...



The Jets having to come into Mile High on a Thursday Night with about 48 hours to prepare suffered due to a lack of game planning I believe.
It's just different from what they normally see, that being said block and tackle better than the other guy. The Broncos are doing that right now.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:05 PM

I have no idea whether The Golden Calf of Bristol "has what it takes to win in the future," but I know that he's doing a solid enough job of it right now. Does an NFL Defense really need a full offseason to gameplan for The Golden Calf of Bristol and that offensive playset? If so, then I would say that speaks volumes enough as to The Golden Calf of Bristol's effectiveness.

Mind you, I don't think an NFL Defense needs an offseason to gameplan a QB...


I doubt it takes all offseason either, but I'm very sure that after the fact an offseason has passed, The Golden Calf of Bristol will come falling to earth.. should he be that effective, congrats to him. however, what he does now doesn't mean a whole lot in the future when that team still needs a real QB completing more than 20 passes a game.. (The Golden Calf of Bristol completing an average of 10 so far)

That wildcat offense in Miami lasted a few seasons, but still, lost it's effectiveness after teams started figuring out how to stop it.. they are using the option, and as Carolina has shown, it fugs with defenses.. I think some teams, i.e. Oakland fell asleep and what happens all the time in the NFL, any given Sunday they can win..

Jets is maybe the most impressive win, but that team is as inconsistent as anyone in the league.. they have major problems offensively if they are to be considered a true playoff team.. Chargers, they are about as bad as the Chiefs at the moment..

should The Golden Calf of Bristol be forced to throw more than 20 times a game, he better be able to keep up this "winning now" or else this "winning.... now" doesn't mean Ish as far as his longevity is concerned..

I give him props for his 5-1... but if the question you asked remains and the qualification must be to pass for more than 20 times a game, I think I want a lot more technically sound in my QB...


it's just hard for me to believe a cat completing the ball less than 10 times a game is really going to keep up this "winning now"..

Edited by bleys, 28 November 2011 - 09:11 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:19 PM

I don't think that throwing the ball 20 times a game should be a qualifier. Trent Dilfer didn't average 20 throws/game in the Ravens' 2000 Super Bowl season. (I'm neither calling The Golden Calf of Bristol a Dilfer nor the Broncos a Ravens, just saying it can't be ruled out by that 1 stat)

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:28 PM

I don't think that throwing the ball 20 times a game should be a qualifier. Trent Dilfer didn't average 20 throws/game in the Ravens' 2000 Super Bowl season. (I'm neither calling The Golden Calf of Bristol a Dilfer nor the Broncos a Ravens, just saying it can't be ruled out by that 1 stat)


Yeah and look at what kind of team Dilfer played for... one of the best defenses ever. Playing ball control ( Fox ball ) and having a stiff defense is a good way to win... look at Fox's successful seasons here...

Teams will start figuring out how to make The Golden Calf of Bristol have to pass more and it'll get harder for him... I'm not saying he won't keep winning, who knows, he may.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:29 PM

while it's true the ravens did that, I tend to think you need much more than that out of your QB these days to win consistently.

but really The Golden Calf of Bristol does do more than that. we can't really dismiss his running ability. if he can improve his passing a bit he could really move an offense... until he gets injured anyway.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:32 PM

Yeah and look at what kind of team Dilfer played for... one of the best defenses ever. Playing ball control ( Fox ball ) and having a stiff defense is a good way to win... look at Fox's successful seasons here...

Teams will start figuring out how to make The Golden Calf of Bristol have to pass more and it'll get harder for him... I'm not saying he won't keep winning, who knows, he may.


That's why I said, "(I'm neither calling The Golden Calf of Bristol a Dilfer nor the Broncos a Ravens, just saying it can't be ruled out by that 1 stat)"

With that being said, the point goes back directly to the point made in the first post of this thread- the Broncos D is holding their opponents to very few points a la Ravens. Their D may not be historic like the Ravens' D was, but it is doing what needs to be done.

As for the figuring out of The Golden Calf of Bristol- NFL Defensive Coordinators aren't stupid. Everything can be gameplanned. Oddly, those DCs have not yet been successful enough at figuring him out.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:34 PM

So basically what I'm saying is the Panthers need to grow a defense.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:34 PM

I don't think that throwing the ball 20 times a game should be a qualifier. Trent Dilfer didn't average 20 throws/game in the Ravens' 2000 Super Bowl season. (I'm neither calling The Golden Calf of Bristol a Dilfer nor the Broncos a Ravens, just saying it can't be ruled out by that 1 stat)


Actually Tony Banks and Trent Dilfer started 8 games each that 2000 Super Bowl season. They combined for 504 attempts in 16 games or 31 pass attempts per game.
They had 511 rush attempts, a nice 50/50 ratio.

http://www.pro-footb...ms/rav/2000.htm

While the defense was #1 overall that year their offense was 14th in points scored and 16th in total yards, not too shabby.
They did reel in Dilfer in the post season but he did throw the ball 26 times in the Super Bowl.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 10:03 PM

I don't think that throwing the ball 20 times a game should be a qualifier. Trent Dilfer didn't average 20 throws/game in the Ravens' 2000 Super Bowl season. (I'm neither calling The Golden Calf of Bristol a Dilfer nor the Broncos a Ravens, just saying it can't be ruled out by that 1 stat)


thing is, The Golden Calf of Bristol is averaging 20 throws a game.. he's only completing 45% of those..

I'm really not trying to hold down 1 stat as my main point as much as I am trying to say 1 simple thing: watch The Golden Calf of Bristol try to complete a much higher percentage of passes, however many attempts that might require.... and then see if he can win games.. when defenses force him to throw and figure out how to stop the option, he has nothing left other than to be a true QB...

how will that turn out? maybe he can prove me wrong, but I find it hard to believe anyone would take him as THEIR qb for the future based on him "winning now"..

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:28 AM

von miller is amazing


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