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what went wrong with the panthers run defense?

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if this is accurate, then the fact that the runs were so evenly distributed on both the right and left side indicate that ypc difference shows who gave up the bigger plays, and not the main weakness of the line.

one or two big plays can easily skew ypc stats.

teams don't dedicate 50% of their run plays on a particular area of the defense for no reason.

anyone who knows what their looking at when they watch carolina's defense struggle to get off the field can see teams punish the center of the dline over and over, week in and week out.

The NFl averages for all teams were as follows:

right end- 11%

right tackle- 14%

middle guard- 50%

Left tackle- 15%

left end- 11%

So your premise is not supported by the facts. They didn't pound it up the middle on us more than the league average. Remember that teams usually run to their strengths not the opposition's weaknesses all things considered.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

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What you have to seperate is how many of those runs up the middle broke into the secondary for big gains which ups the average yards per carry. Without Beason in there and even Connor for stretches not only did we get gashed on the right side and up the middle, but they were sometimes for huge gains. Hopefully with Beason back and someone solid at SAM if not davis, teams don't break big ones.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

The problem was not just a porous line but once they got to second level we were awful bringing them down (31st). On power running which is stopping them on 3rd or 4th and short we were right at the league average (64% versus league average of 62%).. Again this suggests that the line was part of the problem but the secondary and linebackers were poor in run support as well. Unless we address the back seven as well, getting a DT or even DE won't solve the problem. That is why I am in favor of going defense with most of the draft.

gotcha. i do think that there are too many RBs getting through to the 2nd level. if the interior Dline is made more stout in the run game, the inadequacies of the DBs against the run won't be so glaring and won't be abused so frequently.

i agree about going defense with most of the daft. i hope that whatever we do starts down front and them works back. we've got to win the trenches.

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There is wayyyyy too much logical discussion and rational thought in this thread for me to be associated with it. I will go now. Good day gents.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rayzor again.

Some rep to panthers55 for those two post too.

Good off season stuff here. Sure beats fashion conversations :-)

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I always prefer looking at the entire front seven when we're talking about run defense, not just the line. I like that this article covers more than just the front guys.

I'd agree that the ends (Hardy in particular) started off the year a lot better than they finished it. The question you'd ask yourself would be how much time they had to spend making up for poor DT play.

And while I know we're discussing things other than injuries, it's hard to discount just how much Jon Beason was missed.

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Hopefully Edwards, Beason, and Davis (crosses fingers) being healthy will help a lot. Also a FS that can tackle won't hurt either.

It all related. Can't stop runs up the middle then the entire defense has to compensate. The team is so worried about not getting gashed for 5 yards a carry up the middle and RBs start bouncing it on the outside.

Hopefully our 2 rookie DTs improve or we get someone in the draft.

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Hopefully Edwards, Beason, and Davis (crosses fingers) being healthy will help a lot. Also a FS that can tackle won't hurt either.

It all related. Can't stop runs up the middle then the entire defense has to compensate. The team is so worried about not getting gashed for 5 yards a carry up the middle and RBs start bouncing it on the outside.

Hopefully our 2 rookie DTs improve or we get someone in the draft.

good points and agreed.

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For the record Jason Williams was just horrendous at getting off blocks. And I did think Neblett, Kearse, and Shirley were better then Fua and McClain just from what I watched.

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Maybe if we had more than 2 legit starters in our front 7 we could do better

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What you have to seperate is how many of those runs up the middle broke into the secondary for big gains which ups the average yards per carry. Without Beason in there and even Connor for stretches not only did we get gashed on the right side and up the middle, but they were sometimes for huge gains. Hopefully with Beason back and someone solid at SAM if not davis, teams don't break big ones.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

The problem was not just a porous line but once they got to second level we were awful bringing them down (31st). On power running which is stopping them on 3rd or 4th and short we were right at the league average (64% versus league average of 62%).. Again this suggests that the line was part of the problem but the secondary and linebackers were poor in run support as well. Unless we address the back seven as well, getting a DT or even DE won't solve the problem. That is why I am in favor of going defense with most of the draft.

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