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#11 Ivan The Awesome

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:01 PM

You don't pay out millions of dollars because guys are "nice" or "good people". We did it with Thomas Davis last year and he could have bent us over this off season. You sign guys because they improve your team and fit the big picture. There are plenty of high character guys out there that make better cap sense. I'm not saying signing J Stew is a bad idea, I'm just saying Marty Hurney's logic is fail.



You contradict yourself so much in this.

You sign players to make your team better, so J stew doesn't make the team better?

You want good character guys on your team. It's a well known fact that JR loves those types of players. The team has no tolerance for anything else. It just so happens that Stewie is a very good RB.

I think he'd be concerned if his RB's didn't get along and were bickering and fighting all the time. Just saying..

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:04 PM

Chemistry isn't that far behind talent in making a unit successful, in my opinion.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:10 PM

http://www.nfl.com/p...tracker-podcast

Bucky Brooks and Matt Money Smith podcast. Marty doesn't call in at time so they edit in his interview at the end. He talks about how Deangelo and Stew are such good friends. That's nice and all but a GM shouldn't care about that sort of stuff.

Hate to contradict, but if my GM (boss) didn't care if anyone where I worked got along, I predict I would be unemployed within 6 months as the place would go out of business.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:16 AM

You guys are missing it. First Ivan, I don't have a problem with signing Stewart but it should be for his talent, not how good friends he is on the team. If you've read Marty quotes about the signing he has brought up friendship and how his personality "fits this organization". He said similar things about Jake Delhomme after signing Jake to 20million guaranteed post 5 int in playoffs game. We got rid of Kris Jenkins because he didn't fit our organization but you know what? Jenks was one hell of a DT, we still haven't replaced him.

Second, you guys make it sound like players getting along is some sort of rare occurrence we should be grateful for. Most players get along. We don't need to jeopardize the cap to keep friends together. In some cases conflict can bring out the best in guys when they are trying to get their touches. Steve is an example of a guy that mixes it up. Great player, but he can rub guys the wrong way.

Third, back to Ivan. We signed Thomas Davis to a massive contract after he missed one and a half seasons to injury. We did NOT sign that deal before injury. We paid him $1m in base and $7m in signing bonus. We effectively gave him $8m guaranteed when he hadn't played since 2009. Had we cut ties with him this spring that $7m signing bonus would have hit this 2012 season and destroyed our cap space. He could have used that as a bargaining chip to keep some of the $8m option bonus due this year but he helped us out and waived the option bonus. Still, with all that said he's a $2.25m cap hit right now for us. The contract he signed in 2011 was dumb. Had he played at a pro bowl level we still would have cut him because the contract was so bad. It was Hurney doing a solid for someone he admired. It didn't make football sense.

Again, I'm not saying it was wrong to resign Stew. I am saying friendship and to a degree character should not have much if any influence. There are plenty of guys out there that are good in the locker room that make better cap/football sense. (Tolbert for example). Character should be a pass/fail check box on every player. Not an attribute with weighted value.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:44 AM

You guys are missing it. First Ivan, I don't have a problem with signing Stewart but it should be for his talent, not how good friends he is on the team. If you've read Marty quotes about the signing he has brought up friendship and how his personality "fits this organization". He said similar things about Jake Delhomme after signing Jake to 20million guaranteed post 5 int in playoffs game. We got rid of Kris Jenkins because he didn't fit our organization but you know what? Jenks was one hell of a DT, we still haven't replaced him.

Second, you guys make it sound like players getting along is some sort of rare occurrence we should be grateful for. Most players get along. We don't need to jeopardize the cap to keep friends together. In some cases conflict can bring out the best in guys when they are trying to get their touches. Steve is an example of a guy that mixes it up. Great player, but he can rub guys the wrong way.

Third, back to Ivan. We signed Thomas Davis to a massive contract after he missed one and a half seasons to injury. We did NOT sign that deal before injury. We paid him $1m in base and $7m in signing bonus. We effectively gave him $8m guaranteed when he hadn't played since 2009. Had we cut ties with him this spring that $7m signing bonus would have hit this 2012 season and destroyed our cap space. He could have used that as a bargaining chip to keep some of the $8m option bonus due this year but he helped us out and waived the option bonus. Still, with all that said he's a $2.25m cap hit right now for us. The contract he signed in 2011 was dumb. Had he played at a pro bowl level we still would have cut him because the contract was so bad. It was Hurney doing a solid for someone he admired. It didn't make football sense.

Again, I'm not saying it was wrong to resign Stew. I am saying friendship and to a degree character should not have much if any influence. There are plenty of guys out there that are good in the locker room that make better cap/football sense. (Tolbert for example). Character should be a pass/fail check box on every player. Not an attribute with weighted value.



Kris Jenkins is one of those guys that comes along once in a decade. Luckily we got him for a good while and besides once he left, he wasn't the same. He went to the jets and had issues with his knees I believe. Just wasn't the same after he left here.

Jake was again, another diamond in the rough. He worked out well in the beginning but fizzled out in the end.

The common trend I see is that the organization itself doesn't know when to let go of a player. Either they let go too soon or they hold on for too long. Jake is a prime example of the latter. Peppers of the first. But really pep didn't want to be here.

TD is a Panther, no matter what. His contract doesn't do anything anyway. If he goes down there's a clause in there to protect the team. So really no loss in having him around. If you can get something out of him this time around it's a plus. You know Davis is a great LB that can rush the passer.

Hurney has always had the philosophy to pay their own. Sometimes I don't agree with it, but then I realize, hell it's not my money he's playing with.

I'm sure Hurney himself would have liked to have handled some situations in a better way if he could. But what is done is done now.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 01:35 AM

You guys are missing it. First Ivan, I don't have a problem with signing Stewart but it should be for his talent, not how good friends he is on the team. If you've read Marty quotes about the signing he has brought up friendship and how his personality "fits this organization". He said similar things about Jake Delhomme after signing Jake to 20million guaranteed post 5 int in playoffs game. We got rid of Kris Jenkins because he didn't fit our organization but you know what? Jenks was one hell of a DT, we still haven't replaced him.

Second, you guys make it sound like players getting along is some sort of rare occurrence we should be grateful for. Most players get along. We don't need to jeopardize the cap to keep friends together. In some cases conflict can bring out the best in guys when they are trying to get their touches. Steve is an example of a guy that mixes it up. Great player, but he can rub guys the wrong way.

Third, back to Ivan. We signed Thomas Davis to a massive contract after he missed one and a half seasons to injury. We did NOT sign that deal before injury. We paid him $1m in base and $7m in signing bonus. We effectively gave him $8m guaranteed when he hadn't played since 2009. Had we cut ties with him this spring that $7m signing bonus would have hit this 2012 season and destroyed our cap space. He could have used that as a bargaining chip to keep some of the $8m option bonus due this year but he helped us out and waived the option bonus. Still, with all that said he's a $2.25m cap hit right now for us. The contract he signed in 2011 was dumb. Had he played at a pro bowl level we still would have cut him because the contract was so bad. It was Hurney doing a solid for someone he admired. It didn't make football sense.

Again, I'm not saying it was wrong to resign Stew. I am saying friendship and to a degree character should not have much if any influence. There are plenty of guys out there that are good in the locker room that make better cap/football sense. (Tolbert for example). Character should be a pass/fail check box on every player. Not an attribute with weighted value.


Just because Hurney talks about Stewart's friendship in a interview doesn't mean that was his primary reasoning. Your looking to much into it. The primary reason was Stewarts talent and abillity, traits he mentioned multiple times after the signing.:
http://www.usatoday....sion/56983740/1

Hurney calls Stewart a "playmaker who can make a difference in games" and that "we have seen the impact he and DeAngelo Williams have had on our team."


"He's a valuable player for us. All you have to do is look at his production. I think you look at it as if you try to add as many weapons as possible on offense, regardless of position. And Jonathan and DeAngelo have proven to be a solid 1-2 punch for us. They have been a proven commodity, and we wanted to make sure we didn't lose Jonathan."

Hurney says Stewart's "multidimensional" skills are a huge help.


As far a the Davis contract is concerned you are mistaken on its severity .In 2011 after a year and a half of missed seasons he signed this contract:
http://espn.go.com/b...th-thomas-davis

It now runs through 2015, but there is protection built into this deal in case Davis can’t come back as something close to the player he was before the injuries.

The Panthers renegotiated Davis’ base salary this year down to $1 million, but they gave him a $7 million signing bonus right up front. That brings Davis’ cap figure down to $2.4 million for this year, after it originally was scheduled to be $3.8 million.


After his third injury, he further restructured with the team.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:15 AM

My guess is that Hurney finds a way to sign the guys that Richardson wants him to. Right or wrong.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:06 AM

hurney talks about how good a thing is for players on the team to get along.

Hey! Lets jump to the conclusion that that's the main reason a player was signed!

smh.

it's in management's best interest to find compatible parts. it makes the whole better. of course you need talented parts as well. that is, or should be, understood. it goes without saying...unless you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill and try to find any angle to make hurney look like an incompetent hack.

it's way to funny the straws people will grasp at in here to try and prove a point.


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