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If Fox goes 3-3 tonight, Is he still worse than Rivera?

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Thats four.

they only include regular season in stats like that dawg

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I love fox for what he did during his tenure in Charlotte. I think after the 08-09 seasons he lost his team. I remember in 04 a bad 49ers team was blowing us out, and he gave a fiery half time speech and got his team a W. I think after the meltdown against Arizona, he just couldn't get his team to buy in on his philosophy, and he just looked burned out. A change of scenery was needed, and benificial on both sides.

This

JR is still the problem, him and Hurney

But Fox time was up

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is it just me or does denver only win once the game is over? what I mean is they seem to come from behind and win most games. maybe once the fox gameplan has been abandonded and he looks at The Golden Calf of Bristol or manning and says hey see what you can do. then they win. just an observation

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Ahhh, revisionist history. You've gotta love it.

I remember many games of the type you describe. And he had the full support of management for many years, which is why he was one of the highest paid coaches in the league in the last half of his run here.

And as to game day management, do you not remember the Arizona playoff game when Fox refused to adjust coverages?

John is a good defensive coach and a middle of the road kind of guy. Rivera may have underperformed, but that's no reason to put Fox on a pedestal.

i don't get this "fox always had his teams ready to play" and "he was a great decision maker" stuff either. we lost several games due to stupid playcalling and lack of adjustments, especially in his last few years here.

the 2008 playoff game against the cardinals and 2009 opener against the eagles are case studies in this. somebody on the cardinals offense (one of the WRs-either fitz or breaston) said after the game that they had our defense figured out after a series or two and they knew we weren't going to try to disguise coverages or even adjust. then in the 2009 opener we had no answer whatsoever for philadelphia's blitz or special teams and they just murdered us all day in both areas. you could see the same kind of thing starting to happen as far back as 2006 and 2007 as well.

fox is great at turning a team around fast but in terms of sustained success and getting players to buy into his philosophy long term it's a mixed bag. he needs a very specific kind of team with very specific personalities on field to win.

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And for the record, excuse the sb season. Jon fox's greatest achievements were our most embarrassing moments as a franchise. NFC championship against cards and seahawks are the biggest stains on this franchises record. never been that embarrassed or disappointed after a game. and it happened twice. Rivera has his work cut out for himself. But never have I felt that hopeless under his leadership. The main difference is that fox hates young players and thats really all we have.

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i don't get this "fox always had his teams ready to play" and "he was a great decision maker" stuff either. we lost several games due to stupid playcalling and lack of adjustments, especially in his last few years here.

the 2008 playoff game against the cardinals and 2009 opener against the eagles are case studies in this. somebody on the cardinals offense (one of the WRs-either fitz or breaston) said after the game that they had our defense figured out after a series or two and they knew we weren't going to try to disguise coverages or even adjust. then in the 2009 opener we had no answer whatsoever for philadelphia's blitz or special teams and they just murdered us all day in both areas. you could see the same kind of thing starting to happen as far back as 2006 and 2007 as well.

fox is great at turning a team around fast but in terms of sustained success and getting players to buy into his philosophy long term it's a mixed bag. he needs a very specific kind of team with very specific personalities on field to win.

yeah, like a kicker who out scores most qbs

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we saw what happened when fox was forced to play a young quarterback in 2010. what we're doing now at the quarterback position is oil and water with his coaching philosophy and we'd either be tanking again or starting derek anderson.

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Granted I was glad Foxy left, but my point is did we give up Fox to go to a worse HC? Who's to blame if we did? JR is to blame. Your thoughts please.

Fox is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Hurney and Richardson are the problem and they hired (Rivera)a coach nobody would hire because he was cheap and easy to manipulate.

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Fox is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Hurney and Richardson are the problem and they hired (Rivera)a coach nobody would hire because he was cheap and easy to manipulate.

Sadly I think that is pretty much 100% truth.

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For perspective on fox in his later years, after our early season blowout loss against the eagles in 09', Sean McDermott (you know, that defensive coordinator here that most of us hate) looked like a genius.

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For perspective on fox in his later years, after our early season blowout loss against the eagles in 09', Sean McDermott (you know, that defensive coordinator here that most of us hate) looked like a genius.

no bro fox is one of the best coaches in the NFL.

hurney and richardson were on the sidelines telling him to call five and seven stop drops for jake when the eagles were sending the house.

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Can't say if we would have a better record under Fox, but at least we would not be doing so much "option" crap, Foxy was a run 'em up the gut kinda coach. I just think the play calling would be better under Fox.

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