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A Historical Perspective on the Dreaded QB "Regression"


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#25 Keith Moons Liver

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:29 AM

Who gives a poo what Bradshaw or Montana did. The game has changed drastically in just the past 10 years. QBs coming in and playing well early in their careers is commonplace now. The types of offenses they run and defenses they face at the high school and college levels are far more sophisticated- they are more prepared than ever before. Coupled with all the rule changes favoring the passing game and it's no wonder. So I really don't give a poo that someone threw a bunch of interceptions a quarter of a century ago.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:29 AM

Teeray, none of those guys were the head cases Scam is. None of them had the marks and issues coming out of college (that are now being proven true) that Scam has.


just off the top of my head, peyton manning being sued for a sexual assault in 2003 that allegedly occurred at UT when he was there. the media stayed hands-off and UT quietly let the trainer go with a $300k settlement. also dan marino was a known cokehead entering the league.

i'd say that's a bigger deal than maybe getting pay for play which btw is something i'm sure several athletes you cheer for on saturdays are involved in.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:43 AM

Opinion


Are you a Alabama/SouthCarolina fan ?


nope

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:58 AM

Who gives a poo what Bradshaw or Montana did. The game has changed drastically in just the past 10 years. QBs coming in and playing well early in their careers is commonplace now. The types of offenses they run and defenses they face at the high school and college levels are far more sophisticated- they are more prepared than ever before. Coupled with all the rule changes favoring the passing game and it's no wonder. So I really don't give a poo that someone threw a bunch of interceptions a quarter of a century ago.

Or Brees? Or Eli Manning? Or Peyton Manning? Or Big Ben? Or Brett Favre?

And despite what the media is telling you, Andrew Luck isn't playing that great so far. Neither is Ryan Tannehill. Neither is Russell Wilson.

RG3 is playing great and, well that is really about it on the young QB front.

So I guess I disagree that young QBs playing well out the gate is commonplace.

And I wasn't comparing stats of 25 years ago with stats from today. i was examining the process of QB progression.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:15 AM

BTW, some of you guys were all about history when we were discussing whether an athletic QB could become a good NFL QB.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

nope



Then you have but a few reasons left not to like Cam.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:11 PM

I recall Marty Schottenheimer on Hard Knocks saying that if you can get a QB to play as well his 2nd year as he did his first year, you've made progress...


Statistically, Cam has pretty much done that. I saw on NFL Network that his numbers in most categories are pretty much neck and neck with last year.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

Great research, it sucks that no one outside of Carolina can see this. Its hard to watch any sports media the last few days. I dont think cam's comment after the game were as bad as they are making it out to be,.

This whole year people have been asking whats wrong with cam,..and ive been saying nothing..he a 2nd year qb...he actually isnt doing bad this year...has he made mistakes yes...but once again 2nd yr qb.

I fully stand behind Cam and wanted him drafted all along, things I trully believe will be great in the long run.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

Then you have but a few reasons left not to like Cam.



I have only one reason, he is an option QB that isn't going to be a success in the NFL. Has nothing to do with anything but the kid can't read NFL Defenses and played in the most gimmicky offense in College football.

The kid had character issues coming out of college and its coming full circle and showing up now that he is a pro.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

I have only one reason, he is an option QB that isn't going to be a success in the NFL. Has nothing to do with anything but the kid can't read NFL Defenses and played in the most gimmicky offense in College football.



You are a coach ? A football expert ? You are becoming worse than TRD

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:43 PM

Enough of our back and forth tho.
Just try and have a little more of an open mind.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:41 PM

I have only one reason, he is an option QB that isn't going to be a success in the NFL. Has nothing to do with anything but the kid can't read NFL Defenses and played in the most gimmicky offense in College football.

The kid had character issues coming out of college and its coming full circle and showing up now that he is a pro.


How does one break the Rookie passing record but can't read NFL defenses?

And where were you last year? Will you disappear again when CAR starts winning again with Cam as the QB?