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#61 nosuchthingasapanther

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

I think Joe Flacco and Ray Lewis believe otherwise...


which is why joe flacco's leadership is always being questioned.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

Locker room needs a enema, badly.

totally agreed.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:13 PM

old guard represents spots that need to be replaced regardless in the near future....

I find it funny the amount of people so focused on Cam sitting on the bench....his coaches are boobs and the all the guys with C's on their chest are from the old guard.

Cam has TONS of stuff to work on.....he is still, by far, the least of our current concerns. But lets keep talking about how cocerned we are about our leading rusher and the guy who is hit all game (who also had to play QB) sitting on the bench after each series.

this is what people aren't getting.

cam is special. he comes with an ability to influence, good or bad, the demeanors and attitudes of those around him. doesn't matter if that's too much pressure on him, it doesn't even matter if he wants that, that's just who and what he is. he is a natural leader. what happens when someone who has that much influence over others does nothing with it or, worse, can do little to control his demeanor or the emotions that are evident to others? losing. that's what happens.

no....there aren't others stepping up either. that's bad for the team, but none of them have the natural ability to lead or influence that he does.

he wasn't drafted #1 overall just because of his talent as a football player. he wasn't drafted #1 overall just because he was an "icon and entertainer" and could be the pretty face of the franchise. i'm sure those two helped, but what helped him stand head and shoulders above others, imo, was the influence he has on others.

right or wrong, cam has more power to turn the attitude of this team around than anyone on it...coach, vet, captain...doesn't matter. cam is more powerful and dynamic a personality than any of them and that's not really a slight on them either. cam has the "it" factor and he's just not using it.

i'm not going to make excuses for anyone else. i'm not going to make excuses for newton. i hold newton to a higher standard, though, because i expect more from him than other players. that's why he was drafted where he was and the others weren't.

i'm not bashing newton. i just don't think he's having the effect on the team that he could or should and he is the only one keeping him from having it.

it's not letting anyone else off the hook. cam has let the culture effect him rather than cam effecting the culture. no one forces you to accept another culture. newton allowed it to overcome him. it's up to him to stop it and turn himself around. the moment he does that is the moment the players around him stand up and take notice and rally behind him.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

I am wo fuging tired of every fuging thig Cam does on the sideline being analyzed. He is a kid that has had this poo organization dropped on his shoulders. Is hang my fuging head too if I had so much thrown my way.

I hope the next staff has more patience and hope and tutoring than the current staff has implemented.

Fans forget, mainly b/c of last season, that Cam was/is a project. He needs help. He isn't getting it.

totally agree on that, but i don't think that cam's doing himself any favors at all either. he's putting just as much on his shoulders as everyone else is. he's not sharing the load and he's taking it all too seriously and personally. he expects perfection. he expects to be the one winning the game. if the team doesn't then i think he puts that all on him. i'm not saying he shouldn't be taking responsibility for his bad plays and decisions and i'm not saying that he should be throwing the coaches and players under the bus.

i think he's overwhelmed but i think it's a lot of his doing as well. he expected too much of himself too quickly. it's not happening like he thought, esp. this year, and you can see it. he's just as disappointed as everyone else is in how the season is going.

what makes a champion, though, isn't letting that stuff get the better of you. it's rising above it. it's fighting instead of throwing the towel in. i don't think he's given up, necessarily, but i also don't think that he's got the heart of a champion right now, either.

he's not the same guy he was at auburn or blinn, even. he's experienced loss and failure and he can't shake it off. what's going to make him great and make the team great is HIS ability to shake it off and rise up.

i just hope it happens soon.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:32 PM

Outstanding leadership and the ability to help everyone raise their game was the reason we kept delhomme around so long IMO. Say what you will but he expected to win and held his teammates to the same standard. Not that Cam doesn't expect to win but for whatever reason the guys don't seem to be picking up on that vibe along with him. As someone said earlier, a lot of it is him taking on the entire burden of the team rather than everyone else being accountable towards a common goal.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

this is what people aren't getting.

cam is special. he comes with an ability to influence, good or bad, the demeanors and attitudes of those around him. doesn't matter if that's too much pressure on him, it doesn't even matter if he wants that, that's just who and what he is. he is a natural leader. what happens when someone who has that much influence over others does nothing with it or, worse, can do little to control his demeanor or the emotions that are evident to others? losing. that's what happens.

no....there aren't others stepping up either. that's bad for the team, but none of them have the natural ability to lead or influence that he does.

he wasn't drafted #1 overall just because of his talent as a football player. he wasn't drafted #1 overall just because he was an "icon and entertainer" and could be the pretty face of the franchise. i'm sure those two helped, but what helped him stand head and shoulders above others, imo, was the influence he has on others.

right or wrong, cam has more power to turn the attitude of this team around than anyone on it...coach, vet, captain...doesn't matter. cam is more powerful and dynamic a personality than any of them and that's not really a slight on them either. cam has the "it" factor and he's just not using it.

i'm not going to make excuses for anyone else. i'm not going to make excuses for newton. i hold newton to a higher standard, though, because i expect more from him than other players. that's why he was drafted where he was and the others weren't.

i'm not bashing newton. i just don't think he's having the effect on the team that he could or should and he is the only one keeping him from having it.

it's not letting anyone else off the hook. cam has let the culture effect him rather than cam effecting the culture. no one forces you to accept another culture. newton allowed it to overcome him. it's up to him to stop it and turn himself around. the moment he does that is the moment the players around him stand up and take notice and rally behind him.


Natural leader or not, he still has to have people to lead. Old guard IMO prevents Newton from being able to step into the role he needs to be in. Just my opinion based on nothing but the tidbits we all get.

The "leaders" on this team want Cam to act "Carolina".

I hold Newton to a higher standard as well....but he needs water and sunlight to grow. Can't expect him to progress/grow regardless of situation he is in.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:48 PM

he's letting the culture effect him.

that's on him and that's the problem i have.

he's not standing up. he's taking it sitting down.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:50 PM

When is it going to be our turn? :'(

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:56 PM

In threads about Cam I am being honest that Cam is not playing well and needs to improve.

Why is that an issue?


This thread is about Peyton Manning and it doesn't make any sense to compare a 2nd year qb to a vet. Its an issue because fickle fans like you praises him when he wins and then want to disown him when he loses. Like a previous poster stated Cam does the same thing in every game he has the towel on his head, he usually alone, and he if should score a td he does his superman dance. If they were winning games and he wasn't seen " Grab[bing] the photo folder. Look[ing] at what the defense is doing. Talk[ing] to your o-line. Talk[ing] to your receivers.Talk[ing] to your damn QB coach" you comment that he should act more like Peyton would be irrelevant. But being that they are not winning games it like open for you.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

So just because others aren't stepping up as leaders, our QB is given a pass for not also? See, this is a losing mentality.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

Who is the leader on our team? You guys are telling me they are all waiting on cam get the fug out if here. Name a player on the Redskins offense worth it that's not injured? It's by default

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:20 PM

Give it about 2 to 3 more years. No second year QB can go in boss mode like that. Thats why Manning is who he is. I believe Cam will get to this point in a few years. That kind of leadership only comes with experience.



I disagree.... I think you either have it or not. A story from Manning's rookie training camp, a Tight End Marucs Pollard ran a wrong route but disagreed with what Mannning called and to paraphrase, Manning said If I say it is easter you better start looking for eggs or something to that effect.

Manning is an extra coach on the sideline/huddle, not many QB's can or will do that. I've not seen anything similar out of Luck.

It makes me wonder what would/could have been if they would have traded KFC & the draft picks to Polian/Colts back in 98.

Maybe Cam can become a stronger leader.

The leadership is there at any age. The respect factor that goes with it comes with time/experience.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:26 PM

A second year QB sure as hell can do more than hang his head on the bench.

Grab the photo folder. Look at what the defense is doing. Talk to your o-line. Talk to your receivers.Talk to your damn QB coach.

Doing any one of these would be an improvement.

When will our coaching staff nut up and grab his ass off the bench and talk to him?


This comes down to coaching, you think Jim Harbaugh would let that happen? Hell motherfuging no

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

Denver has a man as their quarterback, we have a petulant child.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:47 PM

I've always been a Manning fan. Loved the Colts, like the Broncos even more now that they are like what Carolina was a few years ago. Only so much better.

I bet Fox was delighted about that game. He hopped from a lame duck team, to a franchise with HOF talent, then came in and stomped his old team. Classic situation.

Every player on this team should be taking notes from the game last Sunday. Coaches, players, everyone.


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