Peyton Manning Sound FX
Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:51 PM
The Panthers have a lot of mules and it takes thoroughbreds to win on the race track or in the NFL.
No amount of will or rah-rah is going to make up for that lack of talent on the lines.
Fix that and many things change.
As for Newton, I expect he will be evaluted just like everyone, and if the new GM thinks he's not the guy, he won't be and it won't have anything to do with race, it will have to do with accuracy, ability to read defenses, can he lead when times are hard, can he close when the games' are on the line.
this is the same for any QB in this league from rookie to veteran and football is all about performance, period. People who think Cam has it tough should go look at what is said about Eli Manning and Mark Sanchez on a daily basis in the NY press.
I think everyone on this board, inlcuding me, wants Newton to be the Superman he poses when he scores. Appears to me he's more Clark Kent at the moment.
Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:07 PM
Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:18 PM
Oh no he didn't! So what makes Peyton more a man compared to Cam, his complexion?
If you cant figure it out I pity you
Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:29 AM
1. They got rid of most if not all leaders in the former regime. examples (colts - Manning, Saturday) (Skins - Brought in a whole new offense) So their QB were able to step in and be the leader by default. Cam was brought in to a locker room with "ESTABLISH" Leaders from a old regime. Not able to just come in and be the leader because you had 3 to 4 multi Pro bowlers in leadership roles.
2. Cam was getting over analyze before he was even drafted. People were questioning his character, work ethic, and intelligence.
He had to work hard (in a locked out offseason ) just to change people predescribed perception of him. Gross admitted in a interview about this. While Luck and RG3 were praised for everything from how they tie their shoes to their choice of chewing gum. They came in with a hype machine saying how great they would be and sure fire leaders.
Which is real funny because Cam is the only 1 out of the three to lead his team to a national championship, undefeated season, in the hardest conference in college football.
Not to mention only 3 player were drafted off his team and 8 players were drafted off Lucks team.
Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:59 AM
here's the thing.
Well again, it goes back to one man can't change a franchise......yet that unrealistically is what has been expected from Cam.
You want Cam to be what you think he should be doing..get rid of guys like Smitty. Bc Smitty and his old era bs stands in Cam's way. Rivera sucks so bad he too talks old era now. Once he was confident and embraced Newton's hell no to losing attitude and supported people needed to get on Cams's level.....now he is wiling to throw Cam under the bus out of desperation.
Cam is surrounded by the attitude he came in pointing was overflowing here.
i'm not expecting him to change the franchise. i'm expecting cam to be cam. i was hoping that he would at least stand his ground and be the man he was when he was drafted. instead of being the hype guy that can influence he became the guy that needed hyped up.
i wasn't expecting him to change the culture. he let the culture change him. can i blame him for that? yes and no. i can understand that, but it still shouldn't have happened. the team didn't help, but a man's got to stand. i just don't see him doing it like i thought he would.
i know at some point he will, probably next year. right now, though, he's allowing himself to be influenced by the culture. that's not strong character, imo. i was just expecting more from him.
i guess it's my fault that i wasn't expecting some guy who was emotionally tough enough to not let the people around him influence the way he acted. the sad thing for me was it happened right out of the gate. i can understand getting worn down after an extended period of time. i can understand a guy who had never experienced loss being effected by it negatively when they get their first taste of it. i just think he allowed it to put him into a funk that he hasn't been able to get out of.
i don't think he's going to be some VY headcase or whatever. i certainly don't think he's going to turn into some pissy ryan leaf. i think he'll grow out of it. it's going to take him deciding to change the way he acts and thinks, though. you can put all the best influences around a person but it's not going to matter if the person won't take it on himself to change the way he deals with disappointment.
Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:17 AM
If you cant figure it out I pity you
behold, the power of the non-answer
so i guess you don't remember peyton crying about his "protection problems" in his post-game presser after the 2005 divisional playoffs.
Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:40 PM
Give it about 2 to 3 more years. No second year QB can go in boss mode like that. Thats why Manning is who he is. I believe Cam will get to this point in a few years. That kind of leadership only comes with experience.
No that kind of leadership is either something that you have or you don't have. When is the last time anyone saw Cam Newton going over plays and rallying the troops on the sideline? Andy Dalton is a second year player that Marvin Lewis told to get his crap together and take control like a man. He responded by beating the hell out of the Giants on Sunday. I have seen Dalton going over plays with his team multiple times and reviewing negative plays with his OC. RG3 has also been voted a captain as a rookie and comes off much more mature and mentally tough than Cam. It shows in his interviews and in his on/off the field demeanor. I don't look around the league and see many qb's constantly sulking by themselves with a towel over their heads and acting like sad little kids in post game pressers. Goodluck banking on 2-3 more years completely changing a guys attitude when most likely he will be learning another new system and having a ton of player turnover in Carolina when a new coach gets hired.
Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:03 PM
When is the last time anyone saw Cam Newton going over plays and rallying the troops on the sideline?
after every single drive with shula.
Andy Dalton is a second year player that Marvin Lewis told to get his crap together and take control like a man. He responded by beating the hell out of the Giants on Sunday.
dalton plays in a completely different system under a much better coaching staff. not a good comparison. we've been through the dalton poo on this board-it was called "all last year", new guy. your own coach also isn't big on calling his quarterbacks out either as we found out over many years when jake delhomme was our starter. different coaches have different styles.
I have seen Dalton going over plays with his team multiple times and reviewing negative plays with his OC.
cam would have to be in the booth to go over plays with our OC. which is part of the problem with chudzinski among many other things.
RG3 has also been voted a captain as a rookie and comes off much more mature and mentally tough than Cam.
he sure looked mentally tough when the panthers beat him like a drum.
It shows in his interviews and in his on/off the field demeanor.
who fuging cares about the face he puts on for the media.
I don't look around the league and see many qb's constantly sulking by themselves with a towel over their heads and acting like sad little kids in post game pressers.
Goodluck banking on 2-3 more years completely changing a guys attitude when most likely he will be learning another new system and having a ton of player turnover in Carolina when a new coach gets hired.
thank you for the well wishes!
Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:06 PM
No that kind of leadership is either something that you have or you don't have.
we won't know anything about that until later in cam's career when he's being coached by a competent staff that actually inspires leadership instead of the poo sandwich we have now. do you think cam forgot how to be a leader after his time at auburn when he was clearly the heartbeat of that team?
Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:07 PM
John Fox saying "Next time you think about running, pass it instead"
Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:13 PM
if fox was calling the shots i promise you kyle orton or some other shitheap career backup or washed up FA starter would be your starting QB right now.