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#61 SZ James

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

All the people that are saying if Goodell is doing this, how come he doesn't suggest 18-20 teams to make the playoffs is crazy. That would ruin the game and you are cutting down your own argument with stupid remarks like that.


Yeah so crazy someone said they would okay with that as well. Still think it was a stupid remark?



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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:03 PM

8-8 teams have made it in the current format. It can happen now. And some of those teams made runs in the playoffs.

I'm for it because of all of the seasons that we have sucked early on because coaches didn't get our guys ready to play until we were 1-5 and then we streak to 7-9 or 8-8. Some of those teams could've made a run in the playoffs. To me, that makes the playoffs even more exciting.


I'm not saying 8-8 can't get in now, but it is much less likely in the current format. My argument is that if the playoffs go to 16 teams, at 8-8, you are most likely in the playoffs. So at that point these teams will strive for 8 wins to make the playoffs, which by definition is mediocre. Teams in the current format can't settle for 8 wins, most years you have to have at least 10 wins to make the playoffs, maybe 1 will make it at 9-7. Big difference from striving to win 50% of your games to 62.5% of your games.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:10 PM

I'm not saying 8-8 can't get in now, but it is much less likely in the current format. My argument is that if the playoffs go to 16 teams, at 8-8, you are most likely in the playoffs. So at that point these teams will strive for 8 wins to make the playoffs, which by definition is mediocre. Teams in the current format can't settle for 8 wins, most years you have to have at least 10 wins to make the playoffs, maybe 1 will make it at 9-7. Big difference from striving to win 50% of your games to 62.5% of your games.

I wasn't saying you were implying 8-8 couldn't make it now, I was just saying that 8-8 teams can make it currently so what would be the big difference if we expanded the playoffs and they could make it then?

My point is, teams will strive to win as many games as possible. You still want home-field advantage. Just because they expanded doesn't mean you don't try to win as many as possible. I don't think any coach would set his goal for 8 wins. Every team would still aim to win their division and hopefully home-field advantage.

Where it helps is for teams like us who were good enough to be a top seed but wasted games early on and then win games at the end of the season. We could make a big run in that format if we made it into the playoffs, and who's to say we didn't belong there? There are plenty of variables that hurt teams and cause them to have mediocre seasons, yet they start putting it together at the end of the year.

I really think this would only increase competition and make it more interesting for the last few teams to sneak in. The difference between the NFL/NCAAB and the NBA/NHL is the NFL and college basketball play one deciding game between playoff teams, best team wins and moves on. The problem with the NBA and NHL is they play series. I don't see any negative in expanding the field, I think it only enhances the product. Just my opinion though.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

Im for removing 1 preseason game making it a season game. This will eliminate 8-8, you either have a winning season or you dont...




Normally, rayzor, I agree with you, and this kickoff thing, I only read 3 sentences of 4 articles and dismissed the idea. This isnt blind rage, this is me disagreeing with the current commissioner of teh NFL. I do not think that moving the kickoff 5yds or eliminating them all together is in the best interest of the game. I doubt that adding anymore games is in teh best interest of player safety, neither is more playoff games. Like I said, if it aint broke.... What is wrong with the current playoff scenario that would deem changing it?

If the rules are changed to protect the players or the game, to eliminate bad calls(need them ref's to step up), to make it a better experience for everybody, then I am on board. I just do not think some of the things Goodell does reflect those intentions...

i love the idea of making it an uneven number of games in the season.

what you are missing, though, about the kickoff rules is that it isn't his idea. it was schiano's idea and goodell was just throwing that out there when he was asked about what things would be considered by the NFL....meaning the owners who are the ones who make the rules, rather they vote on them after the NFL competition committee (made up of 8 coaches and managers) suggest them.

all goodell does is preside over the owners meeting that happens after the season is over. and preside doesn't mean decide.

in essence, the competition committee suggests a rule change and the owners vote on it and it takes a 3/4 majority for a rule change to take place.

if people don't like rule changes, blame the competition committee for bringing it up and the owners for voting on it.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:24 PM

I wasn't saying you were implying 8-8 couldn't make it now, I was just saying that 8-8 teams can make it currently so what would be the big difference if we expanded the playoffs and they could make it then?

My point is, teams will strive to win as many games as possible. You still want home-field advantage. Just because they expanded doesn't mean you don't try to win as many as possible. I don't think any coach would set his goal for 8 wins. Every team would still aim to win their division and hopefully home-field advantage.

Where it helps is for teams like us who were good enough to be a top seed but wasted games early on and then win games at the end of the season. We could make a big run in that format if we made it into the playoffs, and who's to say we didn't belong there? There are plenty of variables that hurt teams and cause them to have mediocre seasons, yet they start putting it together at the end of the year.

I really think this would only increase competition and make it more interesting for the last few teams to sneak in. The difference between the NFL/NCAAB and the NBA/NHL is the NFL and college basketball play one deciding game between playoff teams, best team wins and moves on. The problem with the NBA and NHL is they play series. I don't see any negative in expanding the field, I think it only enhances the product. Just my opinion though.


I wasn't thinking about for the benifit of the Panthers or teams like us, I was thinking for the league as a whole. I actually think that it will hurt the NFL more than help it. Notice how NBA and NHL playoffs first couple of rounds have less viewers than the NFL playoffs corresponding rounds? I believe the fact that there are so few teams in the playoffs raise the stakes and make it seem like there is a lot more to play for. I think by adding more teams they will lose some of the neutral fans for the beginning of the playoffs.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:26 PM

8-8 teams have made it in the current format. It can happen now. And some of those teams made runs in the playoffs.

I'm for it because of all of the seasons that we have sucked early on because coaches didn't get our guys ready to play until we were 1-5 and then we streak to 7-9 or 8-8. Some of those teams could've made a run in the playoffs. To me, that makes the playoffs even more exciting.

if you can make it through the playoffs, you deserve to be in the playoffs.

it doesn't matter how many teams start out in it, the cream will rise to the top.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

Yeah so crazy someone said they would okay with that as well. Still think it was a stupid remark?


What "someone" said they would be OK with 20 playoff teams?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:58 PM

It kind of defeats the point of having a good regular season if you can go 8-8 or even 7-9 and have a shot at the Super Bowl.


Yup. When the Panthers make the playoffs the way it is now it is a special occasion, exciting. Its harder to get, therefore when you finally get it you feel really good. More teams is dumb. Its stupid, and that's one reason why the NBA playoff system sucks. Bobcats make the playoffs as 7th seed, cool. Now they get to get swept by the Magic. If it aint broke dont fix it but its just another move that is gonna continue to water down the NFL

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

fug.

no.

this guy is trying to destroy football.

(Unless this means an expansion of two-ish teams for each conference. Then yes.)

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:09 PM

I'd like to see a 17 game schedule, with 16 neutral field games per year. Then we could have games in other countries no problem without costing anyone a home game. Every team plays 1 neutral field game per year.

You could have games all over the place. London, Mexico, Germany, Japan, Canada, a couple games per year in LA, a game or two in Vegas, and another couple in markets that don't have nfl teams but have stadiums, like San Antonio and OKC.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:10 PM

What "someone" said they would be OK with 20 playoff teams?

me.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:12 PM

fug.

no.

this guy is trying to destroy football.

(Unless this means an expansion of two-ish teams for each conference. Then yes.)

again, that guy (goodell) isn't the one making the rules. he's not the one even suggesting the rules.

it's the competition committee suggesting the rules and the owners voting on them.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:16 PM

The responses here really highlight the fact that people in general eschew the "read then think then understand then post" paradigm.

Expanding the playoffs by one team per conference does not mean teams with losing records will be in, it means more teams with winning records will make it. It means that teams that are 2nd or 3rd in their division with a great record wont be boxed out by a division winner with a mediocre record.

It doesn't expand the season and only means one more game for one more team, the # 2 seed. Instead of a bye they have to play in with the number 7 seed ON WILDCARD WEEKEND.

It in no way dilutes the product or makes 8-8 the target season.


This has literally NO downside and all upside.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:16 PM

i hate goodell more and more each year.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:18 PM

The responses here really highlight the fact that people in general eschew the "read then think then understand then post" paradigm.

Expanding the playoffs by one team per conference does not mean teams with losing records will be in, it means more teams with winning records will make it. It means that teams that are 2nd or 3rd in their division with a great record wont be boxed out by a division winner with a mediocre record.

It doesn't expand the season and only means one more game for one more team, the # 2 seed. Instead of a bye they have to play in with the number 7 seed ON WILDCARD WEEKEND.

It in no way dilutes the product or makes 8-8 the target season.


This has literally NO downside and all upside.


the downside is more injury which leads to more rule changes which leads to an expanded schedule.


f*ck that.


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