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#31 chknwing

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:45 AM

its tax money from hotels etc, not the general public.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:45 AM

What happened to just taxing the hotels and poo more? not every taxpayer

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

I'm not a big fan of giving money to billionaires to build something that they will then charge me to use.


This is issue #1. Since JR bought the franchise, the value has gone from 250 million to 1 billion. Chalk some of that up to inflation but that is a heck of a lot of money to be made in a "small market" as we are known around the league. The PSLs in comparison to what Minnesotta and Indy did sounds a little better because at least JR gave us something tangible instead of putting the whole cost onto tax payers without a seat liscense. But still looks bad..

The other issue as was mentioned in the OP is that JR has started to look like an owner that cares more about the bottom line than he does about winning. So, coming to the fans of Charlotte for MORE money, when they have provided unwavering support for this team despite a lack of success just looks like a money-grabbing move as opposed to a move to reward fans. I'm sure that if the Panthers just came off a 13-3 season with a playoff appearance there would be less griping but this franchise, under the watch of JR, has sucked for the most part.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

I'm not a big fan of giving money to billionaires to build something that they will then charge me to use.



lol

well, when you put it that way....

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:54 AM

Wait, is there a way to only tax Steeler and Redskin fans?

#36 MadHatter

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:54 AM

So are you for giving JR $125M?


Given the amount of tax dollars that go to every professional team by the cities, the amount previously provided to the Panthers is nowhere near the norm.

To keep the team here....yes, I do support it.

I don't necessarily like it. But I do know that it is the price that you pay for professional sports in your town.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:59 AM

Given the amount of tax dollars that go to every professional team by the cities, the amount previously provided to the Panthers is nowhere near the norm.

To keep the team here....yes, I do support it.

I don't necessarily like it. But I do know that it is the price that you pay for professional sports in your town.



Or we could give 125 local schools a million dollars each to improve their facilities and pay raises for teachers.


Nah.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:00 AM

So, coming to the fans of Charlotte for MORE money, when they have provided unwavering support for this team despite a lack of success just looks like a money-grabbing move as opposed to a move to reward fans. I'm sure that if the Panthers just came off a 13-3 season with a playoff appearance there would be less griping but this franchise, under the watch of JR, has sucked for the most part.


It isn't like he will be taking this money and putting it in his pocket. He will be using it for renovations to make a better gameday experience for the fans.

I mean as you say the fans have provided unwavering support, so really he could just not do sh!t and keep collecting money with the stadium the way it is now. By and large this money is going to the fans.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:00 AM

By having the team here, JR is pumping and bring in more money to the city and both states than $125. As a fan we don't thing about the business generated for the area because the team is here. The stadium/team is an attraction and destination spot.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:02 AM

Call them the Charlotte Panthers and it's a done deal.


125 million = 1 mile of light rail construction

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:02 AM

Or we could give 125 local schools a million dollars each to improve their facilities and pay raises for teachers.


Nah.



As a teacher, and as awesome as this sounds, other professions benefit from having the Panthers much more than a one time upgrade to schools and raises.

But teacher pay is a fundamental problem that almost everyone acknowledges but no one cares enough.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:02 AM

Or we could give 125 local schools a million dollars each to improve their facilities and pay raises for teachers.


Nah.


And lose the thousands of jobs and hundreds of businesses that are largely dependent on the sports franchises? The overwhelming majority of the State tax revenue already goes to education.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:05 AM

If the Panthers are going to leave because they can't have escalators for fat fans to ride and even bigger screens (even though everyone can see the current screens just fine) then what does that say about the Panthers?

How about win some games, sell some merchandise, pay for these LUXURIES yourself?

Or maybe we can start weighing the fans at the gate. If you are morbidly obese you pay 20 bucks to the escalator fund.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:05 AM

guys, look at this for what it really is. Do you think that tax disappears when the renovations are fully paid for? LOL of course not. After the Stadium renovations are paid for, which prolly wont be more than a couple of years imo, the tax money will then goto the city for schools, roads etc. I dont mind it one bit.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:07 AM

guys, look at this for what it really is. Do you think that tax disappears when the renovations are fully paid for? LOL of course not. After the Stadium renovations are paid for, which prolly wont be more than a couple of years imo, the tax money will then goto the city for schools, roads etc. I dont mind it one bit.



Good point.

Ok, lets do it.

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