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What do you do for a living?

estimater/ CNC programmer for a steel service center

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If they don't repent from it yes, but thats no different than my uncle(not gay) who doesn't believe or has not stepped inside a church since he was drafted for the vietnam war and hasn't been back to church since. However no man knows another's heart , but I do know that if you accept Christ as your saviour and believe in him then you will cast aside your bad deeds. Is it possible you back track? Absolutely , but you can still repent. Repenting is not saying a few words and ok I good. Actions speak louder than words repenting means whole heartedly striving to and making a change.

If you have that in your heart you will make the change.

I'm no master of church doctrine or theology. I grew up with it, ran away from it spending years out of the loop, and then returned to it when I realized I was missing that part of me. I think the most vehement people on here never witnessed someone truly changed. I've seen the worse of the worse drug addicts whole heartedly change, and its a beautiful thing. Some try and backslide but I've seen them keep on trying till they got it. As a christian is not my job to point fingers or judge. Its to help others understand what christ did for everyone. Some of you don't believe and you will berate and belittle, but I will not back down from this. I dont believe in forcing anyone to change, but I do believe if I can put a word in that may sway them I will. If they want to know more I will tell them more. If they want to mock I will try to ignore them.

Are you going to heaven?

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Are you going to heaven?

With out a doubt my friend. Just give me a holler if you need directions I can show you where to start, but you'll have to actually find the road yourself. If you do find the road I can give you the crash course on how to ride it. Admit to being a sinner, Believe that Christ died for the payment of the debts of peoples sins, and Confess it proudly with the understanding how much people meant to him for him to have sacrificed himself.

but then again I'm just a crazy person who hates homos and blacks and peace and liberal viewpoints.<-- all sarcasm except maybe the liberal viewpoint thing

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With out a doubt my friend. Just give me a holler if you need directions I can show you where to start, but you'll have to actually find the road yourself. If you do find the road I can give you the crash course on how to ride it. Admit to being a sinner, Believe that Christ died for the payment of the debts of peoples sins, and Confess it proudly with the understanding how much people meant to him for him to have sacrificed himself.

but then again I'm just a crazy person who hates homos and blacks and peace and liberal viewpoints.<-- all sarcasm except maybe the liberal viewpoint thing

Please demonstrate that your directions are both trustworthy and accurate.

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Tbterror if that's god then I am out. I don't want any part of heaven if its filled with people like you and a judgmental god

Thank God I don't though

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With out a doubt my friend. Just give me a holler if you need directions I can show you where to start, but you'll have to actually find the road yourself. If you do find the road I can give you the crash course on how to ride it. Admit to being a sinner, Believe that Christ died for the payment of the debts of peoples sins, and Confess it proudly with the understanding how much people meant to him for him to have sacrificed himself.

but then again I'm just a crazy person who hates homos and blacks and peace and liberal viewpoints.<-- all sarcasm except maybe the liberal viewpoint thing

i bet if you abandoned your mosaic cosmogony in favor of just embracing the love for humanity demonstrated by that there jesus guy you'd get an incredibly open and welcome response to your posts as they reflected it, rather than confirming the option of christianity rightly held by people who rightly despise religion

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i bet if you abandoned your mosaic cosmogony in favor of just embracing the love for humanity demonstrated by that there jesus guy you'd get an incredibly open and welcome response to your posts as they reflected it, rather than confirming the option of christianity rightly held by people who rightly despise religion

Where are you coming from with this? I 've insulted no one cept maybe the anime guy, and for that I am sorry. I'm willing to help anyone who needs help and would hope they would do the same for me. We have a pair of lesbians that attend our church. I take their son (part of my RA's class) out on many activities he lacks a father to do. Not that they can't do it. They just don't play ball, fish, or hunt. Do I hate them? No. Do I treat him/them any differently? No. We have black kids in my class(almost all white church though we have tried to reach out around the community). Infact 2 of them are some of the best students.

You all read my words and draw up some kind of back woods hillbilly never seen the light of day hick who despises anyone not christian and you have me all wrong. Untill you all realize this my words are pointless. i was demonized from the starting gun. Maybe I do come off with a strong opinion on somethings. That would be because I'm frustrated with societies opinions on the whole subject. Yes there are bad christians out there. Yes they do bad things. Yes a lot of them go about "conversion" in the wrong manner. We just want the best for everyone. I want the best for you.(please do not take that as "holier than thou" its not)

If I seem defensive and in turn offensive its caused by the nature of people with no respect for my beliefs " sky fairy" I'm only a man and I will snap from time to time and I've got a urgent need to spread the news and patience is not my strong suit.

Nobody outside of christianity wants to try to live outside of sin. They don't wanna stop doing the things they like. Even though they know deep in their hearts that they are morally wrong. Morals given to us by god. I lived in that sin shunning people like me for approx 14 years from 10-ish to 24. I knew deep down I was doing wrong and the day came when I had to go back. My life has been so much better since then. I dont need all those other things. Was it a struggle? It certainly was, but we all have free will. in that will is the strength of perseverance.

Do non christians know how much of that money we put into the offering plate goes out to communities? To gay familys? To poor mexican, black, white, whoever has a need? I'm sorry I know I saw someone post somewhere in the tinderbox that they were on the treasury committee and saw some shady money stuff. I'm sorry you saw that, but your dealing with humans and with men involved there will always be bad things. You shouldn't let that determine your opinion on the whole religion just like you shouldn't let "pushy" christians define all. Just like you should not let bad black people define all black people. I post a little opposition to Gay rights notice I never said they didn't have the right to anything. I guess if they want get married and do it in the traditional bond with god wedding then they can. That will be between them and god.(yes that was me putting on the brakes and hitting reverse a little bit) You have to understand the passion involved in this. You can't imagine the feeling of living free from the things you don't need. I have possesions and they are more dear to me than they should be. We all have our failings.

Just embracing the love of humanity? that will not get you into heaven as it is mentioned in the bible many times that just being a good/decent person is not enough. You cannot just act like Jesus to get into heaven. Your supposed to try to do that after being saved. Are you saying I should worm my way insome first then hit them with the zeal? lol

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Romans 6:23 (KJV) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

John 14:6 KJV

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Romans 10:9

"If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be Saved"

Last words I'm sorry if these is a rant. I got plenty of work to do and I want to get some non rant on message board free time in. I'm gonna go play some CS GO good night to you huddlers.

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I do not see you as a backwoods hillbilly. That said your opinions are coming from a source for which you cannot show any veracity and you think they should apply to anyone else other than yourself. That is what I think is wrong.

I challenge you to demonstrate that all people who live outside the christian lifestyle feel morally wrong deep down in their hearts as you say. Furthermore I challenge you to prove definitively that there is an objective morality by which you can judge these people.

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Nobody outside of christianity wants to try to live outside of sin. They don't wanna stop doing the things they like. Even though they know deep in their hearts that they are morally wrong. Morals given to us by god. I lived in that sin shunning people like me for approx 14 years from 10-ish to 24. I knew deep down I was doing wrong and the day came when I had to go back. My life has been so much better since then. I dont need all those other things. Was it a struggle? It certainly was, but we all have free will. in that will is the strength of perseverance.

That bolded part.. that is my problem with Christianity/Islam/etc.... That is why I don't want my son dealing with creationism/ID in school.

You somehow know that I am ultimately wrong & the basis for this knowledge is your belief in something that cannot be tested & verified.

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In my new religion I just came up with hell is eternally sitting in traffic while having to take a giant poo and anyone with a neckbeard is condemned to it

also i should add that neckbeards are not welcome

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That bolded part.. that is my problem with Christianity/Islam/etc.... That is why I don't want my son dealing with creationism/ID in school.

You somehow know that I am ultimately wrong & the basis for this knowledge is your belief in something that cannot be tested & verified.

Its incredibly hard to prove this but just has hard to give a rational explanation of how humans got morals.

Because my version takes faith which you would have to have to believe in I couldn't readily explain it.

How about you explain how morals started? According to evolution we grew up as animals. Men took whatever women the wanted when they wanted Who could have gotten together and changed this? Especially given all the different isolated or warring societies that would have been present then. How did we get to the point were men agreed that they just couldn't take any woman they wanted? Society can hardly agree on anything today. Under evolution we arrived here from single cell organisms to man how did morality find a its roots? Keeping in mind there are some highly intelligent animals that have no morals. Is morality an effect of a soul. Who decided right and wrong? How could everyone agree on that when we cannot agree on a crap-ton-load of other topics. What quelled our animal instincts? How do you justiify morality with out god?

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Its incredibly hard to prove this but just has hard to give a rational explanation of how humans got morals.

Because my version takes faith which you would have to have to believe in I couldn't readily explain it.

How about you explain how morals started? According to evolution we grew up as animals. Men took whatever women the wanted when they wanted Who could have gotten together and changed this? Especially given all the different isolated or warring societies that would have been present then. How did we get to the point were men agreed that they just couldn't take any woman they wanted? Society can hardly agree on anything today. Under evolution we arrived here from single cell organisms to man how did morality find a its roots? Keeping in mind there are some highly intelligent animals that have no morals. Is morality an effect of a soul. Who decided right and wrong? How could everyone agree on that when we cannot agree on a crap-ton-load of other topics. What quelled our animal instincts? How do you justiify morality with out god?

in all honesty, i haven't seen much evidence that a common morality is a through-line in humanity... We behave as we are taught to behave by those who raised us. The benefits of law and order are evident to anyone who lives in a society... but morality? I don't see a common morality anywhere.

neither here nor there, I just find it interesting that you would say our "goodness" is divine... i mean... god already destroyed the world once because of a lack of morality.

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