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Dispelling some half-truths about Shula's time in Tampa

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

The Bucs had the 6th ranked scoring offense once Shula was fired. Much better than Shula.

Steckel was fired by ownership after scoring only 3 points in NFC champ game.

Did they not also have a different starting QB and sign Keyshawn Johnson? I'm not trying to say Shula is a good OC, I'm just saying that like the OP said, what happened 12 years ago shouldn't disqualify someone. We turned down Hue Jackson for him so obviously our FO(who i often disagree with) saw something they liked in him.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

Also it should be noted when Steckel was released, Dungy promoted his QB coach, Clyde Christensen, to OC, for "continuity"

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

It's easy for people who didn't live through it to rationalize.

Imagine if the Panthers rehired Seifert. Would you want to go through that again? Well, that's how I'm feeling right about now. Lol

Ok, he was terrible, we all know that.. but this was 12 YEARS AGO! no one is saying he's gonna be a wizard but lets give him a chance to see if he really has learned something from his Alabama/Tampa days... If he hasn't, this staff won't be here for long obviously lol

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

This all makes Shula sound like a decent QB coach.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Those are fair points OP. What about his time @ Alabama?

All In know about that is that the Alabama job was so toxic after the NCAA nearly gave them the death penalty that Dennis Franchione felt like he had to bolt from Alabama to take the Texas A&M job opening the door for Shula to take over a debacle with a roster that had been built during a two year period that had bowl bans each year and major reduction in scholarships over three years.

Alabama was hit so hard that the NCAA stated this:

The governing body said it considered giving the Crimson Tide the most severe punishment — the death penalty — under the repeat violator rules for a recruiting scandal in which boosters were accused of paying money for high school players.

"They were absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun," said Thomas Yeager, chairman of the infractions committee.

That is a tall order for anyone to fix or succeed.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

Let's just be honest about Tampa back then!!!

They were a Pound the football type of team. They ran Warrick Dunn and Mike Alstott into the fuggin ground!!!!!

They pounded the damned football down their opponents throats!

They never had a QB that provided a vertical threat... They ran the damned ball and The Tampa 2 was born.

You can't take anything away from Shula's tenure there besides he turned Trent fuggin Dilfer into a Pro Bowl QB...

Jesus, are we done with this BS yet!?

I don't know, maybe some more exclamation points would help get your point across better!!!!!

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

The Bucs had the 6th ranked scoring offense once Shula was fired. Much better than Shula.

Steckel was fired by ownership after scoring only 3 points in NFC champ game.

Actually, if you look at Schula's time with Shaun King as starting QB (like Tampa had in 2000) it actually isn't that much better.

Granted it is a limited sample (5 games) but they scored 20 or more points 4 times in King's 5 starts.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

Teeray, you have a gift for this. Hopefully, you are either in sales or PR because it is obviously a strength of yours. That said, I still have a long way to go until I'm giving up my John Hancock.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

I suspect that Rivera and Gettleman talked during their interview and Gettleman laid out his philosophy. If that was use the personnel you have until you have the personnel you want (if they aren't the same already), then going to more of a running attack to feature Williams or Stewart, whichever we keep would give Shula the advantage in being hired given he values the run. And being a quarterback coach gives him an intricate knowledge of Chud's system and the passing game. Any other system would introduce the unknown and perhaps stop the momentum that was building last December.
Rivera looked at the other possibilities and changing the system. He looked at keeping the system and changing the terminology. He opted for promoting a guy that knows the most about what is going on right now. You know that he knew that Chud was gone. After all the discussion and interviews last year, it was a matter of time before Chud was gone. Shula knew his chance was coming and he would have to step up.

I am sure he has worked very hard to master the system and tell Rivera how he would improve it. And after talking to other very good candidates who would have changed the system or modified it, Rivera decided to give him a shot. Good for him. You know Shula saw how Chud went from TE coach to head coach in a few years and at least thinks this is a great job and if Rivera gets fired but the offense is good, he gets another OC job for 2014. And if the offense and defense is good and a few breaks go our way next year, we might be a contender and ride to a 9 or 10 win season and at least be in playoff contention until week 17. We could make the playoffs, who knows.....
But there won't be a guy who works harder than he will to try and prove Rivera right about trusting him to guide the offense. And isn't that what you want? A guy who will go to the mat for you versus a guy who is into it for what he can get out of it like Chud. Winning wasn't any more important than looking good doing it with Chud since he wanted everyone to know how creative he is.

Shula will be there day and night tirelessly working to prove he can do it. At 47 he might not be an upcoming young prospect anymore but instead a guy known to do one thing, groom quarterbacks. Can he deliver at the next level and show that Tampa was then not now. He will be energetic, driven, passionate, and hopefully creative in delivering on the chance of his lifetime. Working with a dynamic quarterback, a good offensive scheme and a head coach that will be focused on the defense so you can do what you want to do. All the recipes for better success than last time. He might very well be the best candidate we could have chosen. Maybe we can be like New England and just promote from within to keep the system in place. Which for us is give Cam the ball and work with his decision making so he can continue to improve. We all saw that at the end of the year as Cam flourished, so did the offense and the team as a whole. Why not promote the guy who was most instrumental in improving Cam especially if he has been planning and working all along. He might have been making his own playbook to try and improve on what we are doing. Which he whipped out in his interview... Who knows what he said or did. Rivera was sold, so I will take a wait and see attitude. Unless you were scarred for life like Zod, it makes sense to hope for the best. Everyone needs to just move along the continuum from denial and anger to acceptance and guarded optimism.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

The Bucs had the 6th ranked scoring offense once Shula was fired. Much better than Shula.

Steckel was fired by ownership after scoring only 3 points in NFC champ game.

And yet were ranked 20 something offensively....

You see that? Sounds to me it screams of a top D having one of those seasons where they set their team up.

They also went out and got a WR who could play

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