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Why I no longer give a crap what conservatives want or think


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#73 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

Fwiw, a few years after 9-11, a poll was taken that suggested 22% of Democrats believed it extremely likely that Bush knew of and perhaps assisted in the 9-11 attacks. Another 28% believed it was probable. And after Obama's election, somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 plus percent of republicans believed that Obama was born overseas.

IMO, those polls provide some evidence that both sides have a very large number of people capable of holding extremist and ridiculous views.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

i don't recall who originally said this but it still seems to ring true: some of the worst policy in america is preceded by the words "in a bipartisan agreement"

anyway my intent here is to say that "liberal" vs. "conservative" vs. "the middle of the two" leaves out a fugton of options. for example, both president obama and the republicans have campaigned on austerity, and much of the debate centers on just how much; meanwhile, leftists who believe that the country would see far greater benefit from actually increasing spending in a stagnant economy, raising tax rates, and perhaps even significantly cutting the budget of a military that costs about as much as the rest of the world's militaries combined, are completely shut out of the process. when both major parties have already ruled out viable options as a matter of ideology (as both the democratic party and the republican party as a whole are conservative, corporatist parties), the idea that "the middle" of the two is somehow, again, virtuous in any way, is laughable. now, it may be "imperative" in the context that poo policy is better than gridlock, but poo policy is poo policy, and i'm tired of golden mean dipshits parading around like they're somehow thinking outside the box by "acting as a liaison" between two parties that mostly differ on just how much they want to fug the poor and middle class


you basically described your congress. thats where the new health care plan came from. rather than something smart, they just threw crap together, didn't really vet it and threw out for public consumption.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

Well except for the fact that Presidents and Congresses have tried to get health care reform going for literally decades and came close 20 years ago, sure, it was all just thrown together at the last minute.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

you basically described your congress. thats where the new health care plan came from. rather than something smart, they just threw crap together, didn't really vet it and threw out for public consumption.


In fairness, I do think that they tried to put something better together, but republicans and some democrats balked at some of the provisions, so all we got was that which survived.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

Not gonna lie.. that scared the poo outta me. Not because I'm White, not because I feel threatened. But because I honestly did not realize such fringe groups were out there in today's day and age. Since the other side in the KKK is probably just as bad, I'm beginnning to really lose hope in humanity, and that's what's truly fearsome. I'd have thought we'd all evolved a little more than that.


Call me cracker and honky all you want... those are just words that I could not care less about. To honestly speak of raising up armies for the sole purpose of butchering a different ethnicity is absolutely disgusting, frightening, and mostly... saddening. I was raised to believe people are people, and are good for the most part. They fall into two categories - people who are cool, and people who are assholes, and that's how I view the world.

I know some folks will now call me naiive, but I don't want to believe in a world where someone can hate for so little prompting of just a different skin color (or political belief, for that matter). I don't hate anyone.. not even those who have done me wrong over the years. I don't exactly love everyone either, but I refuse to waste my so little time and energy on this planet being consumed by hate. Why?? Why do this?? It's such a fuging waste...



Meh... Look at it this way, there are over 300 million of us running around this particular piece of real estate thus some are bound to be batpoo crazy & filled with hate. If there were 50,000 (and I would guess that number is grossly inflated) that wanted a race war, it sounds like a lot until you figure that it's about 0.016% of the population.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

yeah my point on health care is there were opposing sides the whole time, past and present and eventually they just said here, lets at least do something.

that was to cantrells point about poo policy for the sake of showing compromise per se.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:06 PM

you basically described your congress. thats where the new health care plan came from. rather than something smart, they just threw crap together, didn't really vet it and threw out for public consumption.


a vast majority of congressional representatives (and their constituents btw) were uninterested in a public option or single payer healthcare, and both the democratic party and the republican party entered negotiation with a virtual agreement on a mandate (whether you believe republican and democratic politicking after the fact or not), explicitly excluding several options which were likely better policy decisions than "everybody give money to private insurance companies right now or else." neither side was proposing something particularly interesting or effective, and those in the middle of these two sides were a special kind of stupid.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:29 AM

1/10.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

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